dsli_jon -now thats just crazy thinking - can't you see that it is all going to change for the better after this election!
Pat B
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Been there, done that, got the t-shirt & selling it in a garage sale.
Of course you can. That's what discussion is all about. It can be vary hard especially if you are dealing with intellectually limited or ideologically rigid individuals.You cant change someones opinion, thats just a personal thing..
Jon, I brought this up before. You have an us vs them approach. They are we; it is just a matter of degree as to how inside you are.What ELSE have they lied to us-all about?
You just did.Quote Originally Posted by planters View Post
No you don't.
Yes, I Do.
9/11 may have been your wake up call when you got that ice cold punch in the gut. This Trump phenomenon has done this to me. Bare with me here. Much of what you fear, I suspected as well. How tied to the Saudis were the Bushes and are the Clintons? How tied to the hijackers were the Saudis We are learning more just recently. This cross party hatred and fear of Trump is weird. One Florida, billionaire donor of Jeb's shifted his support to...no not Cruz, Hillery. The media, almost all the media hate him. Rush is coy, Levin is toxic and Beck is foaming at the mouth not to mention the Fox group, CNN, the MSM, BBC etc. The British government wants to keep him off their soil. The Chinese and Merkel don't like him..Either what they Have Told us is 100% all-True, as-presented..
Here is how I see it. There is only one party. I'm not exaggerating. There is only one political party. We have an oligarchy run by a few dozen billionaires and a few dozen deep political insiders and I don't think they are all US citizens.
You hope that the American people would wake up even if just a little. They are, it's Trump. If anyone would ever, god forbid, audit the Fed, it won't be Hillery. If he is bombastic and unpredictable all the better. Regan scared the Soviets into collapse because they thought he was crazy. Ya, right. Remember the air traffic controller strike?
The establishment fears he won't play ball and as president he would be able to acquire knowledge to leverage his decisions.
You suspect I am prepared. Maybe, but not in the way you think. Like a rolled magazine in the eye of a hijacker our best defense is INTELLIGENCE not laserman's AR-15s. Did you know thermite does not require iron oxide? Can you move around without YOUR identity. Remember the joke about the two hunters where the one brought Nikes as a defense against bears? He didn't need to outrun the bear, just his friend.
You said you would line up for the revolution. So would I, but I would rather throw sugar in their gas tank.
Maybe the best we can hope for is a brokered convention in Cleveland. Never mind Paul Ryan, perhaps the Republican delegates can ditch the lousy choice of candidates and rally around our blue tasseled buddy Zerubbabel to save the election!!!
OK, so he jumped the gun a time or two on timing the date of the second coming, but he's a lot more reasonable and interesting to listen to then the crappy choices we have now.
planters - you do realize that an Ar-15 is a defensive weapon in the hands of an anarchist...an Ar-15 is an offensive weapon for those in the military and police...
Pat B
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Been there, done that, got the t-shirt & selling it in a garage sale.
Bernie to me seems like a kid who easily gets bullied.
The way he bows down to feminists, "SJWs", "BLMs" doesn't look wise to me and pretty weak. Even if he can't be bribed, it seems he can easily be forced to do something for political correctness.
If he can't deal with a disgrace to racial equality movement such as BLM, how can he deal with foreign countries?
On top of that, his views on islamism and ISIS are pretty "libtardian".
Probably even worse than Obama's views on these issues.
I get why people don't dig deep enough on these views of his when you have a criminal as your other option, but it should still be discussed.
I mean sorry Bernie supporters, but damn what a pussy. You only need few annoying people to stop him from speaking? "Get em out!"
And then feminists, he believes in "wage gap". There is none. It is just a result of different job choices men and women make and poor statistics not taking that into account that simple fact. But he believes that, whether it's because he's okay with being spoon feed incorrect info by neofeminists and doesn't do his own research or whether.
And then there's ISIS. He says the Saudis, Turkey, etc will have to get into it as well. Okay, how? You're against the US doing most of the dirty work, but how are you going to do make them do it? Turkey and Saudis actually support ISIS, be it for economical or ideological reasons. Obama don't do it, how you gonna do it? You guys blame Trump for being vague, does he have an actual answer himself?
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Bush Junior was "strong" in all the areas you just described. Look where THAT got us! It's Bernie 100% for me, despite a couple of issues I personally disagree with. I've waited 40 years to be able to vote for integrity, and he's it. It's not there with the American Taliban Raphael Cruz. Certainly not there with Richie Rich selling confidence to stupid people and those blinded by bigotry or religion (is there a difference?). And as you said, not there with the stereotype of the greedy pandering politician bitch. But I'll hold my nose and vote for her in a heartbeat to "stop the insanity" that is "the party of no" (progress or integrity).
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No he wasn't. He was foolish. The borders were left open after 9/11. He secreted the Saudis out of the country during the no fly period. He ramped up the NSA and the TSA, but was too weak and dishonest to profile the actual threat.Bush Junior was "strong" in all the areas you just described.
OK, fine, but ghosttrain's criticisms are valid. Where does that vote get you if he is a swell guy that will get rolled on important issues.I've waited 40 years to be able to vote for integrity, and he's it
I read your anger here, but step back and reread this sentence. There is a lot here.Certainly not there with Richie Rich selling confidence to stupid people and those blinded by bigotry or religion (is there a difference?)
Assuming you're not just jealous, what does his wealth take away from his candidacy? Do you disagree with the idea that all the other candidates except Sanders will be beholden to powerful donors? Just address that part of your statement.
What religion is he blinding stupid people with?
So, you would vote for a crook to oppose a party without integrity?But I'll hold my nose and vote for her in a heartbeat to "stop the insanity" that is "the party of no" (progress or integrity).
Do you read your own statements?
Laserman did this. Frostypaw did this and now you are doing this. Why is there so much hate? Why the ad hominem attacks rather than persuasive arguments.
Based on your intensity there is little hope I will change your mind, but I guarantee your rabid insults will not convince an intelligent audience. And, it is for that audience that these posts are written.