X-laser be aware- very abussive 20% re-stocking fee

X-Laser reach me to get an agreement. Their customer service worked.

Apparent brightness is a scam… Honest manufacturers give actual specs, not apparent brightness… Edited for x-laser.

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Originally Posted by slicklasers

Apparent brightness is a scam… Honest manufacturers give actual specs, not apparent brightness… We can get you into a brand new CDRH varianced projector, all diode, 100k analog modulation, full color, 4watt, 1watt 638nm, 1wattt 520nm, 2watts 445nm, 4mm beam with 1.5mRad divergence, 30k system for $2k with your variance. We file for you instead of having to fill out there paperwork yourself. This laser would need a control system as it is ILDA only, but we can get you a FB3 with quick show for a great deal if interested.

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I heard about these this weekend. Be a good idea to jump on one. Or three. :)

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Originally Posted by slicklasers

Apparent brightness is a scam… Honest manufacturers give actual specs, not apparent brightness… We can get you into a brand new CDRH varianced projector, all diode, 100k analog modulation, full color, 4watt, 1watt 638nm, 1wattt 520nm, 2watts 445nm, 4mm beam with 1.5mRad divergence, 30k system for $2k with your variance. We file for you instead of having to fill out there paperwork yourself. This laser would need a control system as it is ILDA only, but we can get you a FB3 with quick show for a great deal if interested.

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that's a great price. got pics and details?

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Originally Posted by slicklasers

Apparent brightness is a scam… Honest manufacturers give actual specs, not apparent brightness… We can get you into a brand new CDRH varianced projector, all diode, 100k analog modulation, full color, 4watt, 1watt 638nm, 1wattt 520nm, 2watts 445nm, 4mm beam with 1.5mRad divergence, 30k system for $2k with your variance. We file for you instead of having to fill out there paperwork yourself. This laser would need a control system as it is ILDA only, but we can get you a FB3 with quick show for a great deal if interested.

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I could be interested in a pair of these. Can you PM me some more info please.
Cheers

i would never buy a laser based on "apparent" specs, vs. buying from a seller with actual measured specs/ power.
I'm guessing they're target market is DJ's and nightclubs.

But that's just me ��

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Originally Posted by slicklasers

Apparent brightness is a scam… Honest manufacturers give actual specs, not apparent brightness…

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I have to say that X Laser (USA) are generally a very reputable company whose employees have always been very helpful on here.

That said, I personally do think that apparent brightness is very subjective. Always best to buy on watts, that way if it's unusually bright, it's a bonus and if it's too bright, you can always turn it down. If it's usual brightness, you have the comfort of knowing you have a laser of Y power that's the usual brightness for Y power and you are happy in that. Either way, buy on watts and you win.

So quality of optics have no bias on final output power?

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Originally Posted by White-Light

I have to say that X Laser (USA) are generally a very reputable company whose employees have always been very helpful on here.

That said, I personally do think that apparent brightness is very subjective. Always best to buy on watts, that way if it's unusually bright, it's a bonus and if it's too bright, you can always turn it down. If it's usual brightness, you have the comfort of knowing you have a laser of Y power that's the usual brightness for Y power and you are happy in that. Either way, buy on watts and you win.

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I will post an ad in the Buy/Sell/Trade. Check there for full pics and specs.

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Originally Posted by swamidog

that's a great price. got pics and details?

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Originally Posted by buffo

But by your own admission, there was nothing wrong with the projector. It just didn't look as bright as you thought it should.

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Actually no. It didn't appear as bright as THEY said it would appear. So it really wasn't as described. By using such a thing as 'apparent brightness' to sell their lasers, they've really made their own bed.

The proof of the pudding is that it was tested next to a laser of that ACTUAL power rating, and found wanting.

I'd certainly be looking to return it and get a refund or exchanged for one that actually DOES look as bright as a projector it claims to be as bright as.