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12-21-2008, 03:38
The_Doctor

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Originally Posted by mccarrot

Cool, it works, but I think Vimeo is still better:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=DSnsTZ...ndex=19&fmt=18

Best show ever...

I like that one. Could easily have been just a dazzling assemblage but it's a strong performance. They seem to like WideMoves too, some VERY wide scan angles there. Considering how many sources they had, I hate to think what it would cost if they'd all been ultrafast graphic scanners.

There's always an emphasis on the big show, it seems. Raves, etc.. No live solo or small group performances? Got to be some milage in the idea of a band of live players doing a show based on lumia and one or two projectors each. And I don't mean like some DJ's do with music, starting one auto-sequence playing while another is set up to do the same a few minutes later, I mean actual live work, so they feed off each others ideas and skill the way jazz players do. Are there shows like this?
12-21-2008, 03:43
JeroenVDV

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Originally Posted by The_Doctor

I like that one. Could easily have been just a dazzling assemblage but it's a strong performance. They seem to like WideMoves too, some VERY wide scan angles there. Considering how many sources they had, I hate to think what it would cost if they'd all been ultrafast graphic scanners.

All CT 6215 scanners.... :D
12-21-2008, 03:46
The_Doctor

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Originally Posted by JeroenVDV

All CT 6215 scanners.... :D

Jammy bastards! *wants*
I thought they couldn't scan that wide. or is an illusion based on a narrow fan passing close to a camera?
12-21-2008, 04:46
mccarrot

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Originally Posted by The_Doctor

Jammy bastards! *wants*
I thought they couldn't scan that wide. or is an illusion based on a narrow fan passing close to a camera?

scan angle 60 degree. On camera the angle can look bigger.
12-24-2008, 12:05
Soulstorm

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Originally Posted by The_Doctor

There's always an emphasis on the big show, it seems. Raves, etc.. No live solo or small group performances? Got to be some milage in the idea of a band of live players doing a show based on lumia and one or two projectors each. And I don't mean like some DJ's do with music, starting one auto-sequence playing while another is set up to do the same a few minutes later, I mean actual live work, so they feed off each others ideas and skill the way jazz players do. Are there shows like this?

When my friend and I do visuals+lights small shows they're all done on the fly to work with the DJ. We will be doing the same with the laser when it comes in a few days.

Guess i'll be the one posting video up here soon :)
12-24-2008, 12:10
heroic

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Originally Posted by Soulstorm

When my friend and I do visuals+lights small shows they're all done on the fly to work with the DJ. We will be doing the same with the laser when it comes in a few days.

Guess i'll be the one posting video up here soon :)

Mhm, that's exactly what we do. I'd post video, but it's really hard to get the laser to look good on video. I have a little video here, but the sound is dubbed because the shots are cut from several hours of the party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIjIK...el_page&fmt=18
12-24-2008, 12:17
Jem

Hey, that's brilliant, and a particularly innovative way to use a scrim :)

I love the music too, what is it?

Jem
12-24-2008, 12:35
heroic

Thanks! :-)

I wish I could remember what the music is. This video is a few months old now and I can't remember what I stuck on it.

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Originally Posted by Jem

Hey, that's brilliant, and a particularly innovative way to use a scrim :)

I love the music too, what is it?

Jem
12-24-2008, 12:40
Soulstorm

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Originally Posted by heroic

Mhm, that's exactly what we do. I'd post video, but it's really hard to get the laser to look good on video. I have a little video here, but the sound is dubbed because the shots are cut from several hours of the party:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIjIK...el_page&fmt=18

So you run a projector into a scrim??? I can't see a laser having enough scan rate to draw that ;) Whatever it is.. looks very very cool and it's something we don't have down here in little old New Zealand. Nice work!
12-24-2008, 12:50
heroic

Actually we run three projectors into scrims- we have three ViewSonic PJ1158s which we've goosed out a little to get 4500 lumens a piece. We run these from a Matrox TripleHead2Go. Our visuals workstation is a MacBook Pro totally riced out, driving the TripleHead2Go and a second 15" TFT from a Tritton See2 Xtreme, giving us extra space for control palettes.

We have a second machine (older MacBook Pro) which runs the laser, and a third MacBook Pro we use for media prep and audio streaming (yes, we broadcast the show on interweb radio.)

It's quite a build but eh, we get results :)

A few photos from our last underground:

http://picasaweb.google.com/closeeno...alGrinchGreen#

A few photos from our last big party: (yes, that's me spinning)

http://picasaweb.google.com/closeeno...y=93fwNstCRk0#

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Originally Posted by Soulstorm

So you run a projector into a scrim??? I can't see a laser having enough scan rate to draw that ;) Whatever it is.. looks very very cool and it's something we don't have down here in little old New Zealand. Nice work!
12-30-2008, 11:11
Frixxion

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Just trying to revive this old thread.

This picture was at a dutch gig I was at (I think they call it a rave in your countries...). Anyways this picture was made with only 1 laser that was programmed to hit all those discoballs. The circle you see with the logo (euphoria is the name of the party) is surrounded by discoballs.

It was a hell of an effect :D
I do also have a video of it if you want to see it
12-30-2008, 12:21
mixedgas

[QUOTE=heroic;74721]Actually we run three projectors into scrims- we have three ViewSonic PJ1158s which we've goosed out a little to get 4500 lumens a piece. We run these from a Matrox TripleHead2Go. Our visuals workstation is a MacBook Pro totally riced out, driving the TripleHead2Go and a second 15" TFT from a Tritton See2 Xtreme, giving us extra space for control palettes.

How do you like the TH2G ? A flight simulator company I'm working with is thinking about getting one. Good Drivers? How is the support ? Any flicker etc?

Steve
12-30-2008, 13:20
heroic

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Originally Posted by mixedgas

How do you like the TH2G ? A flight simulator company I'm working with is thinking about getting one. Good Drivers? How is the support ? Any flicker etc?

It doesn't use drivers. No support is required. You just run DVI-D into it and it splits it into three pieces. Works fine!
01-06-2009, 06:12
mccarrot

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Need more photons :D
01-06-2009, 15:12
Stuka

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Originally Posted by mccarrot

Need more photons :D

Dude - I want that for the wallpaper - in my hobby room ! :D
01-06-2009, 15:23
allthatwhichis

That is a nice shot. :cool:
01-07-2009, 03:08
mccarrot

Need more photons.... :D

http://www.awakenings.nl/images/uploads/1018361.jpg
01-07-2009, 03:15
mccarrot

Need more Photons :D
http://www.awakenings.nl/images/uploads/1003784.jpg
01-07-2009, 03:21
Anthony

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Originally Posted by mccarrot

Need more Photons :D
http://www.awakenings.nl/images/uploads/1003784.jpg

WOW!!!!!!!! laser heaven!!! verry cool photo
01-07-2009, 03:30
FourDee

look at the saturation of that pic :eek:

That's it! I've had it with DPSS, from now on, I'll be saving for an OPSL. How much do those things cost? :p
01-10-2009, 14:51
Anthony

Climax after movie..... watch it in high res!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwlk5...e=channel_page
01-10-2009, 14:59
Felix

Any chance of seeing the movie with the disco balls? From the pic it looks like it would be one heck of an effect!
01-10-2009, 15:34
heroic

Doing a little work on my RGB...

... so of course I took some photos.

http://picasaweb.google.com/closeeno...icalThreshold#

I need more red. This thing started out as a Neo-Laser NLSP250RGB. Then the blue failed (horrible thing) so I decided to swap it out for one of Dragon Lasers 200mW blue modules. That got me far improved performance. These projectors have a 635 nm red with horrible beam geometry so I think that's going to be the next thing I switch.

Other things I've done to it include fitting new galvos; LaserShowParts sold me a nice set of ScanPros which I fitted. I found that for some reason the X-galvo tends to fail, possibly because we tend to run wide for eight hours at a time. As a consequence I've fitted a mixed pair now! The lovely accurate and fast Y galvo is a ScanPro and the sloppy but wide-angle X-galvo is a cheap Chinese thing.

I also modified the 5v PSU to make it cleaner, since that was crashing the FB3, which due to problems with the FB3's USB driver was crashing the Mac I ran it off when I tried to restart it. (I also had a problem restarting the FB3 while I was working on it, but reformatting and reinstalling the FB3's memory card fixed that- I guess the FB3's firmware is at least partly stored on the card?) Replacing the blue also helped that a lot. I guess the old blue was not as well decoupled as the Dragon Lasers one.

The optical table in these units is not very well designed; it's clearly designed to be as small as possible, with dichros in aluminium castings screwed and epoxied to the plate. It also uses a dichro even for the red, which does not need a dichro- an HR would be better. Weird. The optical table is mounted in a metal box, which helps to keep things clean, but it has an acrylic output window which is not very optically pure. I have removed it on mine (with pliers and great care, since it is close to the pass-blue dichro) and obtained a good improvement in collimation performance.
06-11-2009, 10:10
QUAZAR

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Originally Posted by mccarrot

Need more Photons :D
http://www.awakenings.nl/images/uploads/1003784.jpg

Now that IS goood. :D:D
06-11-2009, 10:46
carlos3621

Does anybody here know the pricing for the coherent opls lasers ??
I'm close to getting one, in a projector ( 3w coherent opls) , but i dont know pricing on individual opls modules......
06-11-2009, 11:37
FourDee

The 3W green runs around 10.000 euros with driver
06-11-2009, 11:53
carlos3621

so....the 3 watt green 532nm coherent opls is 14,000.00 usd
and the 3 watt yellow 577nm coherent opls is 21,0000 usd

yikes!
06-11-2009, 15:12
White-Light

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Originally Posted by carlos3621

Does anybody here know the pricing for the coherent opls lasers ??
I'm close to getting one, in a projector ( 3w coherent opls) , but i dont know pricing on individual opls modules......

Tarm have some special projector offers at the moment:

http://www.tarm.com//produkt/angebot/SS09.pdf

3 Watt Green OPSL : Euro 12,900

5 Watt Green OPSL : Euro 15,500

8 Watt Green OPSL : Euro 17,300

5 Watt Green & Blue OPSL : Euro 39,950

That should give you an idea of what we're talking. The usual price for the 5 watt Green & Blue is Euro 50,000!!!!

Just imagine what the regular price would be for 12 watt Diamond White (RGBY).
06-12-2009, 02:59
mccarrot

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And here we find 30x 5W OPSL

you do the math
06-12-2009, 07:48
carlos3621

gee,, i wonder if thats over the MPE levels..
06-12-2009, 11:28
mccarrot

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Originally Posted by carlos3621

gee,, i wonder if thats over the MPE levels..

Yes, practicly ALL shows here in europe are above MPE.

Have you ever seen a MPE show in a venue with normal ambiant light? the show will just look dim and customers will not be satisfied.

I hope for you guys they safety experts will allow the new 10x MPE rule any time soon in the US.
06-12-2009, 13:30
QUAZAR

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Originally Posted by mccarrot

Yes, practicly ALL shows here in europe are above MPE.

How do you manage to get that allowed? Are health and safety people more tolerent?
06-12-2009, 15:03
White-Light

Here's a good video for you.

Looks like Gatecrasher really excelled themselves at GC7 at Leeds last month.

Takes a few secs to get going (past the white out at the start that obscures the lasers) but then there are some really intense colour scans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOZ5ETmNacI&fmt=18

Watch it full screen as its good quality.
06-13-2009, 02:44
mccarrot

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Originally Posted by QUAZAR

How do you manage to get that allowed? Are health and safety people more tolerent?

There are no real Health and safety rules for lasers here in the main land of europe (Germany got the TUV, and we gerealy follow the TUV rules)

The funny thing is there has been many shows done at levels of 100xMPE and higher but no single (official) report of eye damage with audiance scanning.

100xMPEand above is realy pushing the boudaries and personaly I wouldnt take this risk, but on the other side safe MPE shows are also not accepted by the crowd here in europe becouse it looks just dim. (unless you have complete darkness)

And even if you do a higer than 100xMPE and you hit someones eye and there is a litle tiny scar on his retina which will not affect his day to day live (I speak from my own experiance) would this be a real problem? Its kinda like drinking and standing next to loud speaker in the venue, with drinking you also kill brain cells and standing next to a loud speaker you will also damage you hearing.

Please read the documents on laserist.org about 10xMPE audiance scanning, this wil give you a better idea.
06-13-2009, 09:24
buffo

The difference is that most people understand the risks associated with drinking beer. People are not expecting a potential eye injury when they attend a laser show that is crowd-scanning at 100X the MPE.

I agree that the damage is minimal and will probably not be noticed. That doesn't change the fact that it's UNEXPECTED by the paying customer. 10X is one thing, but 100X is quite another.

I'd like to see the 10X standard introduced, but I doubt it will happen here in the US. Too many lawyers! I agree that the 10 mw/cm2 limit is extremely restrictive. But considering the number of hoops we'd have to jump through to change that, I just can't see it happening.

Adam
06-14-2009, 01:35
White-Light

I think control in the UK is quite strict for one off events. I remember Insanity saying he gets checked very heavily.

I think where clubs tend to get away with higher levels is where they have laser license for permanent laser installations as I think checks are few and far between then, probably only at renewal or periodical - most healthy and safety spot checks are announced in advance in the UK!!!

However, in the UK I don't remember of ever hearing of an eye injury through laser use so it looks as if UK club owners are generally responsible. I've certainly never seen shows as bright as those in mainland Europe.

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