Feedback on SELEM; thoughts for improvement...

Hey folks;

Well, I'm not going to be available very much over the next couple weeks. I'm stuck in southern Illinois for the next week on a business trip, and I have very limited Internet access out here. :( And when I get home, I'll only have a day or two before I'll be leaving for Florida for this year's ILDA conference, which is being held on board a cruise ship. :D So while I'm sure it will be a great time, that will be another week that I'll be out of touch.:o

Nevertheless, I wanted to start a thread for people to share their suggestions regarding SELEM. This year was an incredible event, and due to the size of the crowd we had some unique challenges to overcome. And while I thought it was a successful event overall, there are certainly areas where we can improve how we do things. So please share your thoughts on this matter now, while everything is still fresh in your mind. I want to capture as much feedback as I can. Later, when I'm back home again, I can pull everything together into a master list and start working on the plan for next year.

One thing I already checked on is the venue availability. And unfortunately, it looks like we're going to be stuck with the same weekend again for next year. If we try to do it a week earlier, we won't be able to extend the event. (Many people suggested we start the load-in on Thursday, so we'd have Friday, Saturday, and Sunday to play.) So if we want to make SELEM longer, we'll have to stick with that third weekend, just like this year.

If you thought something went well this year, tell us. And if you thought something should have been done better, definitely tell us! I'm looking for all kinds of feedback, and I'm not worried about being offended, so please be brutally honest with your suggestions. (Sometimes that's the only way to get your point across.);)

Adam

I think there should be more delegation on your part, Buffo. That will take some of the load off of you. It was better this year than last, but there are lots more folks that can step up and say "OK, this is my job. I can make {insert job description here} happen"

With as many folks that attend this event, everyone can do *something*. I'm not trying to say anyone was slacking, but if folks have assigned tasks.....It will be simpler. I feel like *everyone* should do a little *something* for the benefit of the group.

For Instance: I volunteered the cooking. Len lended (pun intended) a hand. That was one complete thing off your shoulders. Same could go for networking. Same for, say, power on the stage and so-on-and-so-forth.

This year was alot better than last.

With 60 folks, we should divide into teams with specific jobs (planned ahead of time), get to the venue, and execute..... That way everyone gets to get a small share of work, execute their task, then enjoy.

I can only speak for myself and Myst. We had more fun this year b/c we knew ahead of time what was going on and what out job was. Having said that.....we still spent too much time on our task. Mind you, i'm (we're) not complaining. We knew ahead of time.

This event is dynamic. There isn't any "set in stone" *anything*.

I am a fly-by-seat-of-pants. Myst is not. As much as I hate to admit......more pre-event planning (at least on my part) will help both myself and others in the long run. AKA start planning now, then execute said plan at that time.

Just rambling out loud.......

I think it was awesome!!!:D But doing the load in a day ahead of time would be wonderful!!
Also, if theres a way to get 3 phase and water on stage, that would be nice too! I know Ill have something going by next year, and Im sure Jeff will too*warn:)*warn
*warnDJ Matt*warn

Adam,

First let me say that I'm hesitant to add too much, since this was my first SELEM, but I will make a couple suggestions.

It may be beneficial to make a list of attendees and possible attendees a couple months prior and start to do as Mophead suggested and team them based on skill sets. As I see it, you should just be there to aid and support those teams and not have the burden of tasking yourself. All the coordination is a big enough job.

I think the layout could be better as we discussed. (moving the scaffold forward, drawing the curtains and having workspace designated) It may also be better to have the hallway clear and Water/3 Phase workspace in on the back stage left. That leaves more room in the hallway for beer. With more people, it becomes more important to utilize all the space as well as we can.

There also seemed to be a slight table shortage, so that may be something to consider. Some rugs/mats may also be handy to lay over the masses of cordage in some high traffic areas and keep tripping/damage to a minimum.

I wouldn't abandon the idea of a show schedule either. It can be a loose schedule that designates an individual for that time block and if they don't utilize it, that is OK, but that way everyone has a given time they are guaranteed.

Please anyone feel free to add to or disagree with anything that I have said.

Like ireedz, this was my first time so, I don't have a huge amount to add yet. It's is extremely helpful to have the potential date for next year this early as I can block out my work schedule accordingly.

It's an enormous amount of work and organization of volunteers, which is difficult at best in any activity. Assigning a set of people to what they're best qualified to do and have a backup plan if they stumble is probably a good idea. I don't know squat about running shows or networking a bazillion laptops but, being a caterer, I know food and by default of working with a lot of bands and DJ's, I know sound and have aquired the equipment so, I can already offer help in those areas.

A loosly based schedule might be good even though I realize it's a bit of a "fly by the seat of your pants" weekend. Having a targeted goal for different events would be helpful. For example, I knew nothing about the Pangolin demonstration being at 5 p.m. on Saturday and, had I known a few days earlier, I could have made more of an effort to get TO SELEM earlier. If we know what some of the highlights are going to be (ie. Lasarium show, Pangolin talk, some other featured speaker, door prize time,) and assigned anticipated target times for them, it would help add a little structure.

Just my $.02 without giving it a lot of thought before responding.

A simple schedule that tells people when they need to have stuff setup, when things are going to start, when lunch is, when meet and greet time is, etc would help a lot.

Well, since you asked....;)

Actually, Adam and I talked a bit about this over breakfast Sunday morning.
So, here are my observations, and hopefully my brutal honesty isn't presented in a way that I come across as just another grumpy old fart!
If I start to sound like some Army dude with my comments - well, I blame it on 20 years with Uncle Sam :o

Most of my observations are really based on that fact that SELEM has gotten HUGE in a very short time.
Adam has always gone above and beyond in getting the event organized, but lets face it - it has gone WELL beyond what Adam alone can manage, and that certainly is NOT meant to cast any doubt at all on Adam's capabilities. Adam has done a GREAT job in the overall "strategic" planning for the event, but as I told him, he needs an onsite "field commander" that can keep things running once the event kicks off.
As has been alluded to by others, we need a TEAM of people that can commit in advance and keep things running at somewhat predictable pace during the meet.
(Hopefully I'll be in a position job-wise to step up next year; this year I was the proverbial "knot on the log", it seems...:o)

For the record, my comments that follow are not aimed at Adam or anyone else in particular -
these are more of a "We the People (of SELEM)" need to collectively try a bit harder to keep the event on course. One thing this year's event proved - we definely have the "stuff" aspect of the event covered; now, we just need to work on the organization during the event!

Reason for the event :confused:

I think one of the things that needs to be decided up front is what SELEM is supposed to be about.
Beyond the social aspect - which is very important, IMHO - is it primarily about getting together to run shows, or is it a hardware "tweak fest"?
If it's suposed to be about running shows, the auditorium in Newton is the perfect place. If it's more about working on hardware and "show n' tell", I would submit that an open convention hall-type venue would actually be a much better place to have the event, where you could set up to work on hardware without worrying about tripping over massive quantities of audio, power, ethernet, water hose, and ILDA cables!
(That last point IS a concern, and more on that later - I'm afraid with the current setup we're an expensive accident waiting to happen).

Schedules :rolleyes:

As cool as SELEM has always been, this year was very haphazard when it comes to what was supposed to be happening when - the only thing I knew was going to happening in advance was Bill's Pangolin demos (which I personally always appreciate, BTW!), and I was there early on both Saturday and Sunday mornings! When did all those shows run, anyway? I heard I won a door prize? WTF...over!:p

Most attendees spend a lot of time, money, and effort to get to the event, and in some cases have very little free time available in their life / work schedules to make this work.
While it would be accurate to say that a first-time SELEM attendee is almost always going to be blown away (overwhelmed!! :eek:) by the people and hardware onsite, I think many "returnees" show up with some expectations of what will be happening when over the course of the weekend, and the only way to begin to meet those expectations is to have some sort of predictable schedule.

Cut & dry -
This may not be a popular idea with everyone, but we NEED a planned schedule, and we need to try to follow it.
If we're NOT going to do that, I think that needs to be known upfront, so attendees and their guests can plan (or not plan, as it were) accordingly.

Let's face it -
Not all of us are as young as we think we are (or act! ;)), and for various reasons, not everyone can - or needs - to be spending 14 to 16 hours or more at the venue with the hopes of seeing some laser shows before the day finally ends. Similarly, it has been mentioned previously that it would be nice if we could encourage more participation from our significant others, family, and friends. While I think that is a GREAT idea (and I actually attempted that this year), I don't think that will ever go far if we don't have some sort of predictable, reasonable schedule in place.

Also, for all you smokers that frequently get together and perhaps come up with ideas or plans for what might be happening next -
don't forget us non-smokers when you come back inside! (<cough, cough>) ;)

Food [popcorn]
There is no doubt that the Mophead family effort makes for some GREAT dining!*retardo

Having said that, it seems that the afternoon BBQ throwdown has become an event in and of itself - and while the initial discussions some time ago were to offer that as a way to save time for everyone when it comes to dining, I don't think it is really serving that particular purpose now. It DEFINITELY "consumes" all of Mr. & Mrs. Mophead's time (for many days prior, in fact), and I would submit that for the group as a whole, it is another distractor, not a time saver.

I would suggest that thoughts be given to "simplify" Saturday's dining experience, and make it a more predictable, time-sensitive event for everyone.

BIG ION LASERS *warn

OK, there is no doubt the the big ion lasers are some of the coolest big toys around. >:)
Having said that, we REALLY need to find a better way to accomodate them! Right now, the loading dock entrance is being shared by everyone coming and going, gear being moved in and out, big expensive ion lasers, 3-phase AC power, and running water (occasionally leaking) - and frequently, all these things are converging on the same floor space at the same time. Additionally, "downrange" from the ion lasers is the same hallway we have to use to move to other locations in the venue, and it isn't always that well controlled.
As I alluded to earlier, I feel this is a potentially expensive and possibly dangerous accident waiting to happen, and better space utilization needs to be planned. As far as using ions in the stage area - well, it would be cool if they're really being used for a show, but all the concerns I've already mentioned - and then some - would still apply.

Shows, Shows...did I mention Shows?

OK, call me crazy - but I think the primary intent of holding SELEM in Newton is running LOTS of multi-projector shows in a cool venue where we can pretty much do what we want - and possibly get in some good practice towards doing some "pro" events down the road!

In the days leading to the event, I was very encouraged by the equipment discussions and separate thread concerning all the shows folks wanted to run at the event. When I arrived at the auditorium, I was absolutely blown away by the scaffolding and equipment setup that was already in place, and was really looking forward to seeing this thing kick off! *retardo
However, by Saturday afternoon, I was missing the "good old days" of "1 - 2 - 3 - click", because face it, even though the synchronization was "loose" at best - we ran a LOT of shows over the course of the weekend back in those days!

As I mentioned previously - when did all those shows run this year, anyway? :(

I do acknowledge I was able to borrow DZ's very cool mini projector (thanks, David!) Saturday afternoon to run the Mike Dunn shows I recently acquired, and Flecom followed up with a cool round of ADAT conversions he had on hand. That filled up maybe an hour or 2 at the most, and based on the crowd that gathered in the auditorium, it was definitely appreciated - but beyond that, it was kind of "pfftt...", nothing, notta', (at least not until some time late that evening), just a lot of scaffolding with lots of gear sitting there, and not much going on beyond the occasional dance hall music and repeating beam rail patterns - which are cool, but only for a few minutes when nothing else is happening...

I think that the multi-projector planning is getting a bit TOO complicated given the time constraints we have to work with, and I would submit that given all the prep that takes place on Friday, if we're not ready to start running shows by early Saturday afternoon, we may have bitten off a bit too much.
As cool as sounds to have a dozen projectors setup running different parts of a multiprojector show, it's only cool if it's actually running! A dozen projectors running the same show simultaneously would still be EXTREMELY cool in my book, and beats a dark auditorium any day!

I would suggest treating this like we're prepping for a public display that opens on Saturday afternoon, and be realistic about the planning and prep time available...

BTW -
Is it REALLY necessary that everyone has access to a router connected to the Internet?
This is a 2 to 3 day event, not a permanent office; this could be easier...

In Summary

Have schedules, stay at least "loosely" organized, keep everyone informed, simplify - and run MORE shows MORE often, starting EARLER in the event!!
SELEM doesn't necessarily need to be longer - just a bit more organized once we get there

And it really was still a cool event......:cool:

Thank you for your support! *retardo

Thank you for the excellent debrief , Teniente Coronel Stuka, I agree wholeheartedly with your views.

The scaffolding was a great addition. The Two MOBOs and the Bounce mirrors, Priceless.

Next up, Steve gets Brutal.

Guys, in some ways we had better lasers back at the conf room.

However, I own this problem as much as the rest of you.

We're at overkill on projectors. We're at pitiful on the entertainment value scale this year. If you've got 30 Kilobucks of projector and software setting on stage, use it effectively.

One, you had DZs ILDA splitter box. It was under utilized. 3:2:1 click added the interesting fact that shows look a bit better if slightly unsynced. Despite on and off pleading from me for a year, scan head X axis were for the most part in phase, and projectors were arrayed on the scaff like boxes in a warehouse, one over the other, and all pretty much aligned. Tilt some of the boxes 33.3 degrees, and dont feel you need to respect other's airspace, um, I mean, scanspace.

Congrats, if those were microwave emitters, you would just made a excellent phased array over the horizon radar, not a artistic laser show. Boooring, YAWN...

I guess I need to get a Tarm or Lobo tape onto youtube for y'all to see some projector placement/phasing lessons.

This is NOT Allthat's fault, this is a growth issue and is NO one's fault.


Scan angles were too small.


Next up, the projectors. If you've got a fault or a completion issue, pull it into the restrooms, you thus have a proper bench, safety, room to move, a place to solder, and plenty of light. Do check the power feeds first, but pull the "workbench" into the hall and off the stage. Many of us will be glad to help with boo-boos.

Projectors II, The interlock horror. We need to standardize on 5 volts / 600 ohms impedance on Pin XX for the shutters, plus the 11-17 loop. if installed. I managed to dodge this with the Laserium stuff by careful rigging, but as a whole, our installation is inconsistent. More then once, shutters were removed or held open with blutack.

Projectors III, The Awakening of the Scan Angle Beast Guys, 12$ worth of parts and twenty minutes of effort adds image size controls to your projectors. I'll start another thread on this, but dual potentiometers are common, accurate,and cheap,and work with diff signals. Dont do it in software. ILDAs standard implies full signal = full angle. We had a size issue with the multiple scan head shows from Laserium. My new control system comes with 20 Dual head beam shows. We could not use them effectively, if I hooked them up, or if a guest brings there own controller. One other thing. A DPDT switch is three dollars and twenty cents at Radio Shack, add the scan reversing. Two projectors I observed did not follow the ILDA standard of PLUS Signal = Up and Right, in Rear Projection. I know most of you only parallel projectors once or twice a year, but it is a very useful addition to the projector and avoids loss of resolution incurred with some software size controls.


Projectors IV, Circular Error Probable. I hated the view from the ground floor, it must have looked great in the balcony, but for those down in the "cheap seats", this was not a impressive display. Angle some stuff down. Not all of us wish to attend the "Scorch Fest" upstairs.

Projectors V, the cast reunion. Adjust the placement so power is somewhat equal on both sides.

And one more thing, we should be up and scanning by noon. If a piece of gear is not ready by noon, abandon it till later. The Friday setup crew did a great job.

The ion stuff can migrate down to a bathroom, I have a Masters in field expedient plumbing, and I will use it. Ion repairs were down this year, and it was more or less newbie training, which is good.

PS, put the presentations at the conference room in the evenings over beer.

PS^2 , (* for non programmers, ^2 means "squared" ) we need a weak haze and weak audio at the conf room.

Flames welcome, I learn new words that way.

Steve

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I think one of the things that needs to be decided up front is what SELEM is supposed to be about.
Beyond the social aspect - which is very important, IMHO - is it primarily about getting together to run shows, or is it a hardware "tweak fest"?

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I think I am probably alone on this one, but to me the shows sort of come second to the social aspect... sure a lot of people might want some "hey look at this how can I improve it?" advice, but talking to the people there, to me is much more satisfying than watching the shows... its amazing the amount of intelligence/experience there is in SELEM attendees :)

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This may not be a popular idea with everyone, but we NEED a planned schedule, and we need to try to follow it.
If we're NOT going to do that, I think that needs to be known upfront, so attendees and their guests can plan (or not plan, as were) accordingly.

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I agree 100%... at least a "after x o'clock only shows"

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BIG ION LASERS *warn

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ya this kinda scared me more than a little bit this year, there was a LOT of water on the floor next to all the 3phase wiring that was going to the stage and the ions... plus there are a lot of people that crowd around here, while people are trying to get on and off the stage or loading dock...

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"1 - 2 - 3 - click", because face it, even though the synchronization was "loose" at best - we ran a LOT of shows over the course of the weekend back in those days!

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actually it was 3-2-1 click, we did this once during the weekend (me and Aaron) but I agree the multi-projector thing is cool, but maybe we are trying to over do it...

plus if you are not in zone 1 or 6 it seems your projector wont be doing a whole lot... and a lot of people come a long way to see their projector in a big room once a year... delegating them to "backup singer" seems kind of mean... (IMHO)

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I do acknowledge I was able to borrow DZ's very cool mini projector (thanks, David!) Saturday afternoon to run the Mike Dunn shows I recently acquired, and Flecom followed up with a cool round of ADAT conversions he had on hand. That filled up maybe an hour or 2 at the most

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I ran 2 hours of ADATs before I was told to turn them off :p

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The Two MOBOs and the Bounce mirrors, Priceless.

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:love: that means a lot coming from you lol

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Next up, Steve gets Brutal.

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ruh-roah

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One, you had DZs ILDA splitter box. It was under utilized. 3:2:1 click added the interesting fact that shows look a bit better if slightly unsynced. Despite on and off pleading from me for a year, scan head X axis were for the most part in phase, and projectors were arrayed on the scaff like boxes in a warehouse, one over the other, and all pretty much aligned. Tilt some of the boxes 33.3 degrees, and dont feel you need to respect other's airspace, um, I mean, scanspace.

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I agree, 3-2-1 click plus offsetting the scan areas would have probably made a very nice effect

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Scan angles were too small.

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I had mine as wide as possible, but height was a concern because of the people that wanted to be in the balcony... if we continue doing this we need to consider if we should even allow anyone in the balcony unless your just completely nuts

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Projectors III, The Awakening of the Scan Angle Beast Guys, 12$ worth of parts and twenty minutes of effort adds image size controls to your projectors. I'll start another thread on this, but dual potentiometers are common, accurate,and cheap,and work with diff signals.

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well when I play back ADAT shows my sound card dac has a pot for scan angles... but I am planning on making a "remote" for my projector with an extra key-switch, X & Y scan size and a pair of DZ's color correction boards (RGBB)

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I hated the view from the ground floor, it must have looked great in the balcony, but for those down in the "cheap seats", this was not a impressive display. Angle some stuff down. Not all of us wish to attend the "Scorch Fest" upstairs.

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I agree, I had to have my projector scanning almost straight up so from the bottom floor with the rest of the people that valued their eye-sight it was pretty lame

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Projectors V, the cast reunion.[/I][/U] Adjust the placement so power is somewhat equal on both sides.

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I think this was a last minute error, since Adam's projector died... but ya the power levels were really, really unbalanced...

also I think we need to have a solid shelf across the two scaffolds on at least the top row... not having ANY projectors in the middle didnt really make a whole lot of sense

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Flames welcome, I learn new words that way.

Steve

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lol, I have been called some pretty awesome words, so I know how that is *retardo

anything I added is IMHO and feel free to completely disregard it...

but most importantly, Adam, you need to start delegating tasks as you see fit... this isnt a one-man show anymore *retardo

I really appreciate the use of the spot out front for testing the hazer in a large venue...set to a power level of 8 for a while...then down to level 3 of ten. It seemed to hold it's own for a good while until the breaker kept tripping on the break-out box near center stage. A few many amps passing through.....a few too many it seems. No one hit the fog buttons as I watched for a couple hours just to see. I feel like structure is good to a point...I , for one would like to see what has not been seen.....home brew 3d graphics shows. And yes I am working on a few projects. I think breaking some elements or groups into specific areas is great. That would release the main arena for shows only...on possibly 2 stage areas. No one has set a projector in the balcony...fans and beams well over head at stage level....would have been impressive.....no one was interested. Maybe next time.


Oh and lots more BST !

This year's SELEM was quite a production. I was amazed how many people showed up and I was relieved that there weren't many issues thereof.

We talked about dividing up tasks this year, but it didn't seem as if there was much more "organization" than last year -although there probably was on the part of Adam/Buffo. ;)

I agree with ireedz about moving the truss forward and adding floor mats especially. We could also have some intermediary lighting of the stage area when the event is in full swing. We're all a bunch of geeks here and I think we could come up with some sort of lighting for the stage that would give the backstage area some light without interfering much with laser shows out in the auditorium.


One more thing, as an aside: How about scheduling Pangolin or other meetings for the morning or maybe later in the day, not right after everyone gorged themselves on pulled pork! :p I saw so many people nodding off and I was one of them. I finally had to remove myself for fear of falling off my chair! :o

I had a blast this year, as I do every year. Also, I officially volunteer to set up the projector layout next year. This is something I do a lot back west working on music events and it would be second nature to me. I'd be happy to help out in this regard, either way.

-Jonathan

Just one simple observation from me. O_o

Everyone MUST be more mindful of cleaning up after themselves. There was alot
of trash left to be picked up this year due to attendees not throwing their food
plates, cans, and bottles away.
Perhaps we should keep all the food in one area to make this clean-up process more manageable. [popcorn]

Mark

As a first timer, I have to say it was a very enjoyable experience. I do echo all of the above as far as scheduling, as meals were few and far between for many of you. Maybe schedule assigned times for everyone so all may show their talents, then work in breaks for meals/snacks, etc. As an official "significant other" to member Displaser, I am more than happy to chip in an help out where needed...including planning and organizing. I am a travel agent, and I have experience booking large groups-so just let me know. :)

Wow...

Great event, as it was good meeting everyone from PL over the years. I'd like to volunteer for the balcony next year as well, as mentioned by MechEng3. Next year, I'll have my 2W+ beam table running as well as my 2W RGB on an adjustable tripod (uneven surface) mount that would lend itself to this.

Any suggestions for an inexpensive white projection screen (other than scrim) source appreciated. Maybe hang it between the scaffolds?

One nice improvement would be if you're not heading out immediately on the last day, help with the cleanup and load out until everyone can leave. I know that Spec and Buffo were the last to get their gear loaded and it was getting late... it would be nice to see everyone get out at a reasonable time.

Greg

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Any suggestions for an inexpensive white projection screen (other than scrim) source appreciated. Maybe hang it between the scaffolds?
Greg

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Blackout cloth, the stuff that is used on the back of drapes. Works well and is cheap. I'll pull my link for the 10' width I have later. Just gotta look out as a lot are now using it for home theater screens so people are gouging on the price at some sites.

We need to have SELEM in one of these!

http://zoetheclown.netfirms.com/disco_dome.html

Great feedback people! Thanks so much for taking the time to write things down.

I agree that we need a better schedule. Most of the problems with this year's event boil down to scheduling issues, so I'm going to work on that first. And I think we need to post the schedule in multiple places throughout the venue (including backstage, in the lobby, upstairs in the classroom, etc) so people always know what's going on. And yes, with the main curtains closed, we should be able to run shows more or less continuously in the auditorium, even if people on the stage need the lights on to work on stuff.

Also, I really like the idea of extending the event by one day. It will increase the rent for the venue, but we're big enough now that we can afford it. An extra day will go a long way towards getting the setup done right. (Which is something we desperately need to do!)

Regarding assistants, YES YES YES! I need more lieutenants that I can rely on. It's definitely too much for me to handle by myself. I'll be talking more about this in the coming months. A few people have already been drafted, but there's more to come!

One question regarding graphics shows: How does everyone feel about putting a scrim in the audience? If we close the curtains, that will move the projectors about 5 ft closer to the edge of the stage, leaving no room for a scrim.

I'm thinking about a 9 ft square scrim like we had this year, but positioned maybe 10 ft back from the stage in maybe the 5th row of seats or so, at a safe height of course. We'd only loose a few rows of seats, and that shouldn't be an issue given the size of the auditorium. Would that work for graphics shows if the projector was in the middle of the scaffold on-stage? Or do you think we should put a regular reflective screen on-stage (perhaps between the scaffolding as Ian suggested) and have a dedicated graphics projector located in the balcony? What do you folks think?

Another thing I'd like to try next year, at least for the Pangolin shows, is to put a computer at the back of the venue in the audience, near the sound booth. That way everything can be controlled from there, and the operator can see what's going on.

With regard to the beams in the audience on the ground floor, I have a bit of a problem with that. We had a lot of guests this year, and I don't think it's fair to them to put beams beyond the MPE down into the ground floor seating area. That's why we've always aimed our projectors at the balcony area or higher.

We could maybe lower them a little bit, but I want the audience area on the ground floor to always remain safe and legal, from a regulatory standpoint. You can make the argument that everyone was warned that the balcony was unsafe, but if you make the ground floor unsafe too, I think that's crossing the line a bit.

The ILDA splitter was basically unused at this event. We had 6 projectors plugged into it at one point, but we weren't running shows then! Again, more organization is the key here, and that's something I can handle. I'll put together a time-line and show schedule that should help a lot. Better attention during setup will help too. I'm going to need to off-load some of my other duties onto others so I can concentrate more on getting the setup done right. Also, as Steve mentioned, we need to work on better projector placement. One thing I'll work on is getting a detailed equipment list ahead of time so I can plan the layout better. ;)

With regard to ion lasers... I agree that the hallway is cramped, but moving them to a dressing room is problematic, both from a power standpoint and from a water perspective. The real problem is (once again) organization. I propose that we move the drinks/beer/etc to the lobby area to keep the hallway clear.

Also, I propose that *ANYONE* who wants to bring a water-cooled laser must first do a leak-check of the system before they bring it. The water on the floor was primarily due to a massive leak on one power supply (which was never energized because of the leak). Small drips from a hose can be dealt with using a pair of pliers or a paper towel, but if you need a bucket to contain your leak, you need to fix it before you get to SELEM.

Also, next year we'll have the power cables routed slightly differently which should alleviate any concerns about water and power mixing... :cool:

Another note about testing lasers: remember that we can *NOT* run a fog machine in the hallway or dressing rooms. It will set off the fire alarm. Likewise, we can't have the doors between the hallway and the stage area open, as the fog from the auditorium will drift down the hall and set off the alarm. (Which it did this year, on Sunday morning.) So if you need fog to test your laser, you'll need to be on-stage with it, where the fog is. But with the curtains closed, we can have people "geeking and tweaking" on-stage with the lights on while we're still running shows in the auditorium. That way we're making better use of the available space.

A big question in my mind for next year is what to do about food/meals. Doug and his wife have graciously donated a significant portion of their time over the years to supply us with food, and this year Len (Hakzaw1) also spend a good deal of time preparing and serving food. Likewise, several members agreed to help out at the last minute, and several people helped up with the significant clean-up required after the meal.

While I'm sure everyone appreciates all their hard work, I don't think it's fair to burden anyone with such a large task, especially considering how big this event has become. Handling the food for that many people takes them out of the fun for a significant portion of that first day. So maybe we ought to think about having an official "break" in the schedule, when everyone can head out to grab a bite to eat.

No doubt a few of the die-hards will still run out to a fast-food joint to choke down a burger before heading back to the venue, but for those people who would appreciate a nice meal with real silverware, they won't feel pressured to stay and skip a meal. I'd really like to hear more opinions on this matter, because with 70 + people, I think meal scheduling was a big source of confusion this year.

Tables were in short supply this year, but the venue is aware of that, and we should have more of them available next year. We actually had 5 more tables we could have used, but by the time we discovered them we already had just about everything set up, so we left them alone. Next year we'll bring some of those tables down for the for-sale area at least.

Speaking of the for-sale area: we need better labeling on the stuff in there. Many people wanted to buy stuff, or even ask questions about it, but they didn't know whom to talk to. So next year we need to be sure people label their stuff better.

Finally; there is room upstairs for us to have seminars going on (in the classroom areas) while we have shows running. This will also increase the rent we have to pay, of course, but it may be beneficial to have more presentations as a part of the event. I'd like to hear people's opinions on that, and if there is enough interest, I'll try to book some more "special guests" who can do presentations at SELEM next year.

Thanks for all the feedback, people. Keep it coming!

Adam

This is my 3rd SELEM, and I thought it was the best ever. The scaffolding worked out great, with most of the many projectors pointed out into the auditorium, so you could walk around the stage and not be worried about getting nailed in the eye by a projector! The placement of the speakers out on the auditorium floor instead of the stage was a great idea. I also liked the unique projection screen that was placed just beyond center stage; you could view projected images from either side of the screen. Saturday's shows were best as they used the combination of screen projection, beam, and good music together with strategic orchestration of so much equipment. Scheduling the Pangolin presentation in a separate room was a good move as the venue has plenty of space, so you may as well take advantage of it. And the best thing is, the fire alarm didn't go off this time. There's always room for improvement, but I was more than impressed that a group of hobbiests could get together over a short weekend and make such an excellent thing happen! Making the event a day or two longer would be great, beacause so much time is required to get things set up.

I was disappointed with the Artist's Cafe experience this time around, and I also missed the Buffo Brew!


For the future, I agree that there should be more delegation of specific tasks in advance to reduce the burden on Buffo, as well as a tighter pre-planned schedule. Even with all that said, I'm still amazed with all the enthusiasm and participation of everyone!

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I was disappointed with the Artist's Cafe experience this time around, and I also missed the Buffo Brew!

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Sorry about that. I guess I'm to blame for both of these. I just didn't have time to get some beer brewed before the event, and I left the Artist's Cafe early to deal with some drama at the hotel. Of course, when I left, everyone else did too. Normally we're there until they close the place, but this year we left at 10 PM. (In fairness, it was rather hot upstairs...)

A few people have suggested that we try a different restaurant for the dinner party next year. There are a few chain restaurants in the area (Texas Roadhouse, Outback Steakhouse, etc) that would work, but they are farther away (around 8 miles, or 1 exit west from the hotel) and I'd hate for people to get lost... I'm open to input on this though.

Adam

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Sorry about that. I guess I'm to blame for both of these. I just didn't have time to get some beer brewed before the event, and I left the Artist's Cafe early to deal with some drama at the hotel. Of course, when I left, everyone else did too. Normally we're there until they close the place, but this year we left at 10 PM. (In fairness, it was rather hot upstairs...)

A few people have suggested that we try a different restaurant for the dinner party next year. There are a few chain restaurants in the area (Texas Roadhouse, Outback Steakhouse, etc) that would work, but they are farther away (around 8 miles, or 1 exit west from the hotel) and I'd hate for people to get lost... I'm open to input on this though.

Adam

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it just seemed like they were not prepared for us... drinks took forever to come up, there was generally one girl running around franticly... poor David didn't even get drunk the drinks were so delayed! *retardo

Hey folks;

I received this message (below) from Casey Stack at Laser Compliance Inc regarding SELEM and his safety presentation. He asked me to post it here on PL, since he is traveling overseas and won't be back for at least a couple weeks.

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Originally Posted by Casey Stack

A great big thank you to Adam Burns, Selem, and all who made my time there Monday fun and interesting.
I appreciate all who took off work and stayed an extra day to attend the presentation in person or remotely even as far away as Australia, I enjoyed the opportunity to speak to you all. It is good to see so many concerned with both compliance as well as safety. Keep up the pursuit of a solid education in laser safety. It's not something you get in one sitting. Although it is true that serious laser display ocular accidents are not reported in significant numbers, they do happen with vector displays. Nothing is worth damaging your eyesight. Please consider getting formalized LSO safety training just as critical to your trade as your scanners and your laser software.

Also, remember the success of entertainment mediums aren't about hardware, they are about the quality of the show you present. Promote this beautiful and completely unique visual form by concentrating on the quality of your displays! attention to detail, Quality, Quality, Quality.
For those of you pursuing a professional career in traditional laser display keep in mind that you go to the Cinema because of the story on the screen, not the frame rate, sprocket count, or Lumen rating of the projector in the booth.. The same is completely true about success in laser display. The best shows I ever experienced were performed in a planetarium with less than 100mW on the dome, via 3 scan sets.

I am impressed with the intelligence and knowledge of your crew.. I certainly connected with many 'old friends', to which I'd never spoken before.

Be well & keep beams above the MPE out of people's eyes*.
Casey

*If you can't calculate the MPE for repetitive pulses, you need LSO training.. "

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Being the first SELEM I have ever attended, I have no priors to compair it too, it was abouve all my exspectations and will attend others in the future. As for the "ONLY ONE DISAPOINTMENT" that would be out of the five modules I prepaird for the event, only my attempted first time beam modules got played, one twice "Dragging the line" but the animated graphics module "She's got the look" which was the one I whanted every body to see and worked months on to present it at the event, it is my crown jewl and I realy wanted to share it with the crew. I am shure I am not the only one that didn't get all their modules played and veiwd. Waching my wife up on the balcany seeing the beams and me video tapping her coverd in laser light while she smiled from ear to ear wipes out that "ONLY ONE DISAPOINTMENT" http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ons/icon14.gif If I could get somthing changed for future SELEM events, it would be, to have a event recording avalible for purchase, that I could show every body at home, It could be VHS,DVD,TUMB DRIVE, or even a DOWN LOADABLE LINK of the entire event from set up, dinner, lunch, Pangolin, Dr Lava, general tweek and tune, and of corse the played back shows,http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...cons/icon6.gif Any body have a copy that their willing to sell like this? Would any body be interested in seeing a mostly blinde person enjoying a laser show for the first time in their life? if so let me know and I'll figure out a way to post that part of the video I made. All and all great exspearence for my wife and I. OUTSTANDING JOB ADAM, look foward to more events in the future!!http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ons/icon10.gif
EMORY

speaking of which, were are the videos? we had plenty of people filming?

I really want to see melody on video :)

I have some pics and video that I will be posting soon, I warn you, I am NOT a professional photographer, but I hope all enjoy. *DZ

I have quite a few short Iphone videos. Not sure how they will look on a full size monitor but they are supposed to be 720P. I will get around to putting them on utube this weekend.

The video I got was poor quality and only of the Lasarium display that I believe 300Evil took video of also.

300Evil is the offical video man, but it usually takes 90+ days for us to nag him into finally producing a DVD. >:)

beamann, you get that PM I sent about the video of your show? *vigil

I have yet to go through all my video footage. My house is being remodeled and I'm without much in the way of space. I may have some video before SELEM 2011.:rolleyes:

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The video I got was poor quality and only of the Lasarium display that I believe 300Evil took video of also.

300Evil is the offical video man, but it usually takes 90+ days for us to nag him into finally producing a DVD. >:)

beamann, you get that PM I sent about the video of your show? *vigil

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Yes Aaron, I did! It was better than what my phone could do by far! Thanks alot man, way cool.

I would imagen if we offerd to pay a fair price to 300Evil for a copy of a DVD of the SELEM event, That might motovate him to do so, I know I would gladly pay him for a DVD of the event!!!! HOW ABOUT IT 300Evil?http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ons/icon10.gif

Ill try to get the ones I have up soon and I hope to finish the videos soon too:D
*warnDJ Matt*warn

I have some video, but it isn't really great. I can go ahead and post it for the heck of it, though. It was the shows for The Beatles, Star Wars, and Laser Asteroids. I was back stage for some of it, sooooooo......I wished I could have played Asteroids though, that was the coolest! I am a huge Beatles fan and got giddy when I heard Sgt. Pepper.....:p

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I have some video, but it isn't really great. I can go ahead and post it for the heck of it, though. It was the shows for The Beatles, Star Wars, and Laser Asteroids. I was back stage for some of it, sooooooo......I wished I could have played Asteroids though, that was the coolest! I am a huge Beatles fan and got giddy when I heard Sgt. Pepper.....:p

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@ LASERCHIK,
I did not know you were at SELEM! Which one were you? I was the guy who has the blind wife. Poor discription I know. I would like to see the videos you have, please post them and if you would, include the URL so I can download them. Thats cool, way cool!:o

LOL-yes, I was there! I attended with my ex-boyfriend, Greg (Displaser). I met you and your wife too! Do you remember me now??? lol :D

I became a fan while attending, and now I am hooked. My brain didn't stop spinning with idea after idea. Especially for laser pointers (gotta start small).

Laserchick did we meet? I think we talked for a while on stage.
I was in charge of giving out name tags. I don't think I had one for you. Sorry if I didn't I'll make sure to get you next time.

Lazerjock

@Lazerjock, yes sir, we met and had a few conversations! I was there with Greg (Displaser). I was his guest. If you remember, we spoke at dinner, then again when I asked why you weren't in the Pangolin session upstairs, then back stage......My name is Kevin, but Greg called me Kevi. Do you remember me now?

Yes, be ready, I will probably be there next year! *retardo

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LOL-yes, I was there! I attended with my ex-boyfriend, Greg (Displaser). I met you and your wife too! Do you remember me now??? lol

I became a fan while attending, and now I am hooked. My brain didn't stop spinning with idea after idea. Especially for laser pointers (gotta start small).

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You were the couple that was located to left of were my wife and I were sitting on stage when we were setting up. is this correct? It's good to have a face an Identity to put to a board name.:)
What dose "LOL" represent?

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Laserchick did we meet? I think we talked for a while on stage.
I was in charge of giving out name tags. I don't think I had one for you. Sorry if I didn't I'll make sure to get you next time.

Lazerjock

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She sat directly to my right at Artist's cafe and I was sitting directly across from you.

My advice: don't hold it the week before Burning Man!

Oh yes I remember now. Thanks

@Laserjock - No problem.
@Heroic - ???
@Beamann - Laugh Out Loud
@ireedz - Yes-that was me!

Question - Does anyone know what date SELEM will be next year? Gotta start saving....I want to go next year and really be more involved.

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One thing I already checked on is the venue availability. And unfortunately, it looks like we're going to be stuck with the same weekend again for next year. If we try to do it a week earlier, we won't be able to extend the event. (Many people suggested we start the load-in on Thursday, so we'd have Friday, Saturday, and Sunday to play.) So if we want to make SELEM longer, we'll have to stick with that third weekend, just like this year.

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I'm not sure it's concrete yet though.

http://www.burningman.com/

it's always the week after SELEM, and is the reason most of the california laser scene doesn't attend.

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http://www.burningman.com/

it's always the week after SELEM, and is the reason most of the california laser scene doesn't attend.

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3000 miles might have something to do with it.

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3000 miles might have something to do with it.

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It's an 8 hour drive to get from SF to Burning Man anyway so I don't think you're right.

It's probably a 48 hr drive to get from SF to NC.

@ireedz - how soon do you think we will know it is concrete? Any idea?
@heroic - I would figure people that attend burning man wouldn't be into lasers, due to the whole natural, earthy, mother goddess, thing.....but I could be totally wrong. I just know my Wiccan buddies aren't into it.....just curious

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@heroic - I would figure people that attend burning man wouldn't be into lasers, due to the whole natural, earthy, mother goddess, thing

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You have a very strange idea of what goes on at Burning Man that does not relate to the fact that there are five or six large scale laser shows there on any given year.

@heroic - Hey, no harm no foul man....that is cool with me. I was just curious, that's all. Had no idea on the laser shows there. I am still new to the whole thing. No offense intended.

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You have a very strange idea of what goes on at Burning Man that does not relate to the fact that there are five or six large scale laser shows there on any given year.

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Was that you painting the burning man with the 445nm we saw on the live feed?

Burning Man is basically Fear and Loathing In The Desert. And I'm no man, man.

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Was that you painting the burning man with the 445nm we saw on the live feed?

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I don't own a pointer.

Oooooook, moving on then.