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06-08-2011, 06:13
michelrietveld

Pangolin Beyond

not sure if it has been mentioned before but i read this posting:
http://www.laserist.org/pressreleases.htm

April 2011
New "Beyond" laser show software from Pangolin; to be released July 16 2011
ORLANDO, Fla - April 14, 2011 – At the recent Prolight + Sound tradeshow in Frankfurt, Germany, Pangolin Laser Systems President and CTO William Benner Jr. announced a release date for BEYOND, the company's all new laser show software for professionals: July 16th, 2011, which is the 42nd anniversary of the launch of the Saturn V rocket, which took astronauts Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins to the moon for the very first time.

William R. Benner, Jr. choose this date to honor his father William R. Benner, Sr. who worked on NASA's Mission Control computers, and directly contributed to the success of the Apollo 11 flight.

The new BEYOND software will run on the existing QM2000 hardware (which currently runs the LD2000 software) and also on the Flashback 3 hardware (which currently runs the QuickShow software).

All existing LD2000 shows will run on BEYOND. Pangolin is working on new network hardware for BEYOND, based on a recently-developed technology called "distributed computing".

No official pricing has been released, but the company did comment that anyone who purchases an LD2000 system between April 7th (the start of the Prolight + Sound tradeshow) and July 16th will receive the new BEYOND software for free.

(Added to this page April 25 2011. The full Beyond press release is here.)
06-10-2011, 23:12
Insanity

http://pangolin.com/countdown/Countdown_to_BEYOND.html
06-11-2011, 02:23
sbk

I'm suscribed to the Pre-launch team newsletter from the day one, but haven't yet received a single information email, apart from the confirmation one. I am the only one??
06-11-2011, 22:39
cyberb0b

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbk

I'm suscribed to the Pre-launch team newsletter from the day one, but haven't yet received a single information email, apart from the confirmation one. I am the only one??

I don't know if your neo.. :cool:

But you can always email Pangolin to get awnsers :)
06-12-2011, 01:32
sbk

I'd just like to see sneak peeks of the software in action before its release, as advertised in their flyer :D
06-12-2011, 03:08
norty303

I'm subscribed too, nothing yet either.

Pangolin do seem to fail on the hype building with new releases. They seem to have the right idea in getting people interested with initial details of the product, but fail on providing either a) enough titbits to keep up the excitement and people hooked, or b) sticking to the release date.

I would guess this might be due to limited resources, a bigger company would have a very dedicated team for the marketing, with a full calendar schedule for info releases.

That said, I'm sure it will pick up soon, and the product will be something new for laserists.
06-12-2011, 03:45
JohnYayas

It was well over a year ago... Maybe even two years ago that I jokingly called Beyond "Beyond Hype". It caused such a commotion on here (specifically from Stuka and Buffo if I recall) that it eventually led to me being banned. At this point, it's water under the bridge, and I am only amused by it all. But, I have to admit that I have a bit of a "I told ya so" grin on my face. :) I'm am interested to see what Beyond is all about, though.
06-12-2011, 04:51
sbk

This being said, in Frankfurt Prolight & Sound, I was so disappointed to see not even the smallest part of a running Beyond software on the Pango booth, added to the fact I needed an immediate replacement solution, that I crossed the line and buyed a nice Fiesta.net PRO controller to give it a try, and I have to say it's an amazing software, it's really one of the best (if not the best one) solution for beam shows I ever tried :D

Anyway, I'm almost sure I will buy a Beyond copy for its 3D/artistic/graphics creation capabilities, at least when we will have more details about it... Seems promising, seems only for now due to the lack of details but I'm pretty sure this is going to be worth the money!
06-12-2011, 07:18
allthatwhichis

From what I understand, Quick Show is running on the Beyond platform so we have been seeing parts of it for a while. When it is officially released it will contain a bit more, new hardware and be working on the QM2000. I may be wrong but this is the impression I have gotten.
06-12-2011, 09:56
sbk

Yes this is Beyond engine/technology, but if I remember they told something like "forgot all about the usual way to program laser show, thinking with points, etc", but in Quickshow there's still the "points" concept... Well, I can't wait to see what they will release! If only they could provide the promised pre-release newsletters...
06-12-2011, 10:25
Stuka

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnYayas

It was well over a year ago... Maybe even two years ago that I jokingly called Beyond "Beyond Hype". It caused such a commotion on here (specifically from Stuka and Buffo if I recall) that it eventually led to me being banned. At this point, it's water under the bridge, and I am only amused by it all. But, I have to admit that I have a bit of a "I told ya so" grin on my face. :) I'm am interested to see what Beyond is all about, though.

Nah, I think it was more about ILDA than Beyond -I think? :confused:
It was around the same time as the extreme online "opinions" being expressed by another former member, and I think several of us caught up in the crossfire! :p

Like you said, water under the bridge -
besides, you're current online name is "more better"... ;)

As far as Beyond is concerned -

I think it's pretty cool that Bill chose the July 16 launch date as a way to honor his Dad! :cool:
06-12-2011, 10:34
hobbybob

what i am really curious about is, if i purchase Beyond will i be able to play all the LD2000 shows on my FB3 ?

Because so far i heard:
Beyond will play all LD2000 shows

and

Beyond will work with LD2000 and Flashback3 hardware.

But nowhere i read Beyond will play all LD2000 shows on FB3 hardware.
I hope it does, then i would be great and worth the purchase because there are much more shows for LD2000.

I really look forward to the release, but like the others, i miss the extra "sneak peeks" and additional info that was promised on PLS in Frankfurt.
06-12-2011, 10:42
Stuka

Quote:

Originally Posted by hobbybob

what i am really curious about is, if i purchase Beyond will i be able to play all the LD2000 shows on my FB3 ?

Because so far i heard:
Beyond will play all LD2000 shows

and

Beyond will work with LD2000 and Flashback3 hardware.

But nowhere i read Beyond will play all LD2000 shows on FB3 hardware.
I hope it does, then i would be great and worth the purchase because there are much more shows for LD2000.

I really look forward to the release, but like the others, i miss the extra "sneak peeks" and additional info that was promised on PLS in Frankfurt.

That will be interesting to see, but probably doubtful.

I Imagine there will an approach similar to LivePro, with versions of Beyond available for each version of the hardware, rather than one software package that will run on both.
In all likelihood, Beyond will be "backwards compatible" within the hardware it is specifically designed for, and play current LD2000 shows only on QM2000 hardware.

Guess we'll find out for sure in about a month! :confused:
06-12-2011, 10:55
Lassie

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbk

I'm suscribed to the Pre-launch team newsletter from the day one, but haven't yet received a single information email, apart from the confirmation one. I am the only one??

The same here. :(
06-13-2011, 16:56
Pangolin

Hi Folks!

Thank you for all of your interest, and your patience on this. We're set to release some "sneak peak" type information this week, with screen shots and some other information. We'll also release some survey-type questions, the answers to which will help guide the final product.

We haven't sent much information out up until now because we've been incredibly busy actually working on the product itself. At the same time, our main marketing guy Justin has spent a lot of time traveling to tradeshows. Not only that, but our business is up 50% compared to last year, so production has been going crazy keeping up with orders. All of this has kept us from being as responsive as we had hoped to be, for the people who became part of the BEYOND launch team.

We are on target to launch on July 16, as scheduled.

Best regards,

William Benner
06-14-2011, 03:42
hobbybob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pangolin

Hi Folks!

Thank you for all of your interest, and your patience on this. We're set to release some "sneak peak" type information this week, with screen shots and some other information. We'll also release some survey-type questions, the answers to which will help guide the final product.

We haven't sent much information out up until now because we've been incredibly busy actually working on the product itself. At the same time, our main marketing guy Justin has spent a lot of time traveling to tradeshows. Not only that, but our business is up 50% compared to last year, so production has been going crazy keeping up with orders. All of this has kept us from being as responsive as we had hoped to be, for the people who became part of the BEYOND launch team.

We are on target to launch on July 16, as scheduled.

Best regards,

William Benner

Thanks for this information Bill :)
I am sure lots of people look forward to the screenshots and the survey.
Good to hear you are on schedule !
06-14-2011, 04:27
cyberb0b

Ill bet its going to be exelent!!! ;)
06-14-2011, 04:39
Stuka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pangolin

Hi Folks!

Thank you for all of your interest, and your patience on this. We're set to release some "sneak peak" type information this week, with screen shots and some other information. We'll also release some survey-type questions, the answers to which will help guide the final product.

We haven't sent much information out up until now because we've been incredibly busy actually working on the product itself. At the same time, our main marketing guy Justin has spent a lot of time traveling to tradeshows. Not only that, but our business is up 50% compared to last year, so production has been going crazy keeping up with orders. All of this has kept us from being as responsive as we had hoped to be, for the people who became part of the BEYOND launch team.

We are on target to launch on July 16, as scheduled.

Best regards,

William Benner

VERY cool -
Thank you for the update!!

Looking forward to the unveiling!!
07-13-2011, 21:42
allthatwhichis

2 days!!! http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...5&d=1259257800
07-14-2011, 06:34
FourDee

It's been worrying me that the timer has disappeared from the countdown website for a while now...

Also, it bugs me I got a show the 15th and Beyond is coming out the 16th ....

Quote:

Originally Posted by allthatwhichis

2 days!!! http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...5&d=1259257800
07-15-2011, 09:03
hobbybob

OOooh almost...
07-16-2011, 00:13
smokeAndMirrors

>...tumbleweed...<
07-16-2011, 03:08
dave

5 Attachment(s)

And we have launch!

Some marketing material I have just recieved. What can I say, I think the attached pix speak much louder than words! Looks awesome!

Attachment 25964 Attachment 25965 Attachment 25966 Attachment 25967 Attachment 25968
07-16-2011, 03:12
dave

And some prices, very reasonable indeed. The LD2000 upgrade path has even better pricing. If anybody is interested in taking the plunge, please drop me a PM :)

End User Pricing

QuickShow Upgrade Options
QS to BEYOND Essentials: $895
QS to BEYOND Advanced: $1895
QS to BEYOND Ultimate: $4395
07-16-2011, 04:05
Bradfo69

Sooo.... what's the LD2000 pricing? I've got 3 QM's so, that's the direction I need to look at.
07-16-2011, 04:20
dave

End User Pricing

LD2000 Intro Upgrade Options:
Intro to BEYOND Essentials: $745
Intro to BEYOND Advanced: $1745
Intro to BEYOND Ultimate: $4245

LD2000 Basic Upgrade Options:
Basic to BEYOND Essentials: $745
Basic to BEYOND Advanced: $1245
Basic to BEYOND Ultimate: $3745

LD2000 PRO Upgrade Options:
PRO to BEYOND Essentials: $745
PRO to BEYOND Advanced: $1245
PRO to BEYOND Ultimate: $2495
07-16-2011, 05:04
Bradfo69

Thank you!

Cool! Means I can uh..., wait for awhile.
07-16-2011, 05:21
FourDee

How is the live player?

From the pictures it looks very much like QS.
I'm just wondering how a multi-projector setup would be controlled ...
07-16-2011, 06:12
Francesco

Quote:

Originally Posted by FourDee

How is the live player?

From the pictures it looks very much like QS.
I'm just wondering how a multi-projector setup would be controlled ...

Multi-projector control is much more powerfull in Beyond than it is in QuickShow :)
Soon there will be a list of new features in this topic.
07-16-2011, 06:14
smokeAndMirrors

Oooh that's a lot of pennies. What does one get in each of the versions, I wonder?
07-16-2011, 06:35
cyberb0b

Until today Pangolin updates were always free.
I don't believe they will change that policy.

However, if you have an ld2000 system, and you upgrade your system to beyond. This is concidered an upgrade (brand new software)
But if you have Beyond, updates will be free again for the lifespan of Beyond.

Above information is confirmed by William Banner from Pangolin it self.
07-16-2011, 09:25
norty303

I'll be interested to see if the live control aspects will make LivePro a thing of the past.
07-16-2011, 23:33
decix

Besides of all this hype going on here:

- when will QS for QM2000 be released that was promised to all LD2000 users a long time ago ?
- why was LAStudio download for QM2000 removed from the site ?
- where is the next announced LD2000 update we're all waiting for ?
07-17-2011, 06:55
dstar

>:) Later... this or the next 3 years...
07-17-2011, 13:42
mccarrot

Quote:

Originally Posted by norty303

I'll be interested to see if the live control aspects will make LivePro a thing of the past.

Copied from the faq:
LivePro is a separate Pangolin program which is optimized for live performance. It works differently, and has a different approach and philosophy, than Beyond. While we do have live performance controls in Beyond, anyone doing complex live shows should continue to use LivePro. LivePro will be supported and updated long into the future.
07-17-2011, 13:49
norty303

Excellent! Just saved $800 :D ;)