Hey Spec, A Request

One of the other forums I read is for Naval Aviation types... Why? Its a better read then Tom Clancy ever was.

Under their avatars, if they have earned flight wings, they get the correct wing for their service.

I want a logo for professionalism under my avatar.

Simples, if you have a variance or the national equalvalent in your nation, you get a "laserburst". If you can document you have crewed on a legal paid show, you get a laserburst. If you worked as a laserist long ago and were working for a varianced company, you get a laserburst(retired). Citerion: That little 1V number on the paperwork or letterhead, or national equvalent, or stationary from a incorporated company, or a ILDA/Brewster Award, or equalvalent stagecraft / Engineering experince (lest we forget our lighting brethern) Note, variance/national equavalent need not be current.

If your country has no variance/permit, we'll work something out. We have two or three people here who are pre variance, you know you'll get it, too.

Since I forgot the lab/Holo guys, IF you got paid to work on a laser in a commercial environment, or its part of your masters/doctoral degree work, you get a burst. However, if its just 15 minutes in the lab in high school or Physics II, no.

PS, if you possess a successful FAA/CAA letter of no objection, we give you a "Platinum" burst! for patience.

Why its Elitism, Yes!. Pseudo Espirt de Corps, yes!

Why? I earned it! Get over it, with work, you can earn it too.

Might want to put up a tag for ELA (if it still exists) or ILDA membership, too.

Let the screaming by "junior" forum members begin.

BTDTGTS.

Sorry hobbyists, but I like the idea of the "Mark of Excellence". It will give you something to strive for.


Steve

Interesting thought Steve. Although I will state that anyone who has spent nearly any time at all on this forum knows damn well that no logo under an avatar is necessary as a method of establishing your qualifications, professionalism, integrity, dedication, knowledge, helpfulness and a host of other praises. For the rest of us mere mortals though...as I said, an interesting thought. At least I'd have an ILDA wing and soon hopefully a variance wing. :)

Just one thing, a tiny mark, it need not expand into multiple, complex, groups of symbols

In fact, other then a small sticky some place, it should never be mentioned in a post.
A "I have a burst and you don't post!" WILL be taboo. It is just plain WRONG to do that.

No, there will be no private forum for ":veterans:" or ":burst:" members.

Steve

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Interesting thought Steve. Although I will state that anyone who has spent nearly any time at all on this forum knows damn well that no logo under an avatar is necessary as a method of establishing your qualifications, professionalism, integrity, dedication, knowledge, helpfulness and a host of other praises. For the rest of us mere mortals though...as I said, an interesting thought. At least I'd have an ILDA wing and soon hopefully a variance wing. :)

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"Applied for" gets you the "ONE FUNCTIONAL NERVE CELL LEFT" HIGHEST award of valour... LOL..

Steve

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Originally Posted by Bradfo69

Interesting thought Steve. Although I will state that anyone who has spent nearly any time at all on this forum knows damn well that no logo under an avatar is necessary as a method of establishing your qualifications, professionalism, integrity, dedication, knowledge, helpfulness and a host of other praises. For the rest of us mere mortals though...as I said, an interesting thought. At least I'd have an ILDA wing and soon hopefully a variance wing. :)

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Don't forget your soon to be PLIOC when the sabre arrives.

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"Applied for" gets you the "ONE FUNCTIONAL NERVE CELL LEFT" HIGHEST award of valour... LOL..

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That IS one bit of mail I'll be excited to open! :)

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We HAVE that "wing" symbol already.... it's the retardo smiley I believe!*retardo LOL

I like the idea of having 'achievements' to encourage professionalism here on the forums.

But...

On the flip side, there will also be people who earned that 'professional' wing and will start to look down on newbies and people who are just learning the ropes. Ultimately, I predict there will be some kind of simple "Help!" question that can be solved by many of us through a lot of tinkering, and may not be so easy for a person just handling his first labbie, and a 'professional-wing-bearer' will chip into the thread and spoil a productive discussion by making a simple remark about doing your homework. Not necessarily with or without training wheels. ;)

So even though I really support the notion of earning respect by showing professional conduct, it can be an excuse for some bearers of the achievement to patronize people. Obviously, this won't include the regulars who have been contributing and helping newbies since the forums started.

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I want a gold star to show I'm speshul !! .........

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Must be that time of year again ......

Hmm.. Just because something has engineer on it doesn’t mean it has engineer in it. I know, I have to hold the hands of about a third of our engineers.

To what ends do we need these 'stars'?

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Hmm.. Just because something has engineer on it doesn’t mean it has engineer in it. I know, I have to hold the hands of about a third of our engineers.

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That is the quote of the year.

In fact that is getting engraved here. However, it is part of the engineering process, and actually is not a negative. It is the way it will be. Except for the ones who come from the good ENG schools who still have mandatory project labs and do not like simulations.

"He who says it cannot be done should not stop man/woman who is doing it!"

I know this is gross, but at the ends of gigs I had to get on my knees and blow the cooling water out of the hoses by mouth before coiling them. That just screams a above average level of "On the Job Training". It also led to the construction of a special, clean, short, hose. Low pressure air knocks the water out, compressor blasts just pass by it. Breath works, technology does not.

"Soforene likes This" is about to appear. Touche' :p

You have not lived until the roadies say, "We have to hang the bounce mirrors, union rules. " You then hand them a pair of safety glasses, and a radio. Then you tell them they need to wear them 100 feet up on scaff, move the mirror, and use the radio. You feel concerned for them because your exposing them to a risk they are not trained for. Your also worried they wont set the clamps right. You would rather climb and do it yourself, even though climbing ain't your day gig. You have to show them how to set the squelch on the radio.

That is typical for some one in the industry, and I'd just like them to have a little recognition.

I'm not saying I'm "speshul". I already know that I am. I have learning disabilities, I'm shy in person, and I'm ulgy on the outside. But I have a warm heart. Part of that heart says recognize people who have worked their way up.

Just a simple *--- little black warning beam symbol under the name. Nothing fancy, in fact make it almost invisible.

ILDA, and while I often disagree with "them", is good for business. It may appear* to be currently lame/stagnent as a professional organization, but it is all we have. It is worth recognizing those who bother to join.

* I know what Pat and Friends did last summer...


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Just because something has engineer on it doesn’t mean it has engineer in it. I know, I have to hold the hands of about a third of our engineers.

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Bwuahahahahahahahahaaa! I vote this 'The Best PL Quote of 2012'... :) Lol, so-true.. I'll never-forget the day, whilst training a Laser Tech / Op on an install - who was also an EE, and earned at least 1.5x more than I ever-made - even when I was a salaried 'Senior Art Director' at an ad agency - I had to explain to him how to use his DMM!! :rolleyes: I mean, I realize I'm an idiot, compared to many, yet I have to 'teach' this guy how to use his DMM?? I just could not get over that...

Permission to kipe your Quote / make a T-shirt, Sir? :cool: ..Yes, I'll 'send ya one' if I do... :) "Engineer" On-it, doesn't always mean Engineer IN-it.. *retardo LOVE-it! :)

j

Was this forum created to suck the dicks of those with a variance?

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Bwuahahahahahahahahaaa! I vote this 'The Best PL Quote of 2012'... :) Lol, so-true.. I'll never-forget the day, whilst training a Laser Tech / Op on an install - who was also an EE, and earned at least 1.5x more than I ever-made - even when I was a salaried 'Senior Art Director' at an ad agency - I had to explain to him how to use his DMM!! :rolleyes: I mean, I realize I'm an idiot, compared to many, yet I have to 'teach' this guy how to use his DMM?? I just could not get over that...

Permission to kipe your Quote / make a T-shirt, Sir? :cool: ..Yes, I'll 'send ya one' if I do... :) "Engineer" On-it, doesn't always mean Engineer IN-it.. *retardo LOVE-it! :)

j

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Haha, send me one copy of the T-shirt so I can wear it at my workplace too >:) Numbers of electronics "engineers" freshly out of a so-called famous university and so proud, looking at others with disregard, but are simply not capable to do *something useful* with their hands when it comes to soldering, using a DMM, oscilloscope, building a real working circuit...

This being said, Steve's idea seems interesting. I'm a lot on National Instruments forums and there's some sort of rewards there and there. Mostly automatic rewarding according to the number of posts which doesn't always mean something (but certainly more at NI forums than here), but also a kudos system given by other users, etc...

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Was this forum created to suck the dicks of those with a variance?

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Of course not, but it damn-sure wasn't created to smoke the pipes of those that don't have / need Vars / don't care / ridicule those that try to better their own-industry, either... Where's the fire here, Gary? :confused:

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Of course not, but it damn-sure wasn't created to smoke the pipes of those that don't have / need Vars / don't care / ridicule those that try to better their own-industry, either... Where's the fire here, Gary? :confused:

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I didn't ask for a special picture to go under my name. So, your point is invalid.

Whatever, Man.. :rolleyes: Are there some prickish Pro's out there, that have elitest-attitudes toward 'hobbyists'? Of course, and.. they're not here, even attempting to-help others... Those that are-here, are, because of the passion for the craft / interest in helping, if-but a little / in a 'grassroots' sort-of way.. If those that make the time / go out of their-way to do-such, and / or others that are doing it the 'right-way' (.."right-way", meaning: for a commercial / professional entity / biz) - / at-least, setting a good-example of responsibility, even privately - where's the 'sin', in being called-out for that?

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Whatever, Man.. :rolleyes: Are there some prickish Pro's out there, that have elitest-attitudes toward 'hobbyists'? Of course, and.. they're not here, even attempting to-help others... Those that are-here, are, because of the passion for the craft / interest in helping, if-but a little / in a 'grassroots' sort-of way.. If those that make the time / go out of their-way to do-such, and / or others that are doing it the 'right-way' (.."right-way", meaning: for a commercial / professional entity / biz) - / at-least, setting a good-example of responsibility, even privately - where's the 'sin', in being called-out for that?

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The sin is that you guys ain't all that. Frankly, I have gotten a lot more out of the DIY folks on here because they aren't afraid to share some knowledge and new ideas. If you guys really contributed as much as you think you contibute I might be singing a different tune. But, I'd just assume give guys like Buffo special recognition if there is any and it has nothing to do with putting on laser shows. It has to do with helping people here.

..Ya know, I really need to get to work on other things, but.. :mad:

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The sin is that you guys ain't all that.

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All what? Helpful?? I'll put the sum-total of 'helpfulness from the Pros of PL' up-against the rest of the entire-industry, *any day*... I don't think you've been paying close-enough attention, here... Have you missed some of the help / info that some of the laser professionals / Co's of PL: ie: Mark (Insanity), Rob (Stanwax), dave (dave :) of LVP) Marc (gottaluv..) Andy (andycon / AC) Steve (mixedgas) Andrew (drlava) ..and a whole-host of others, have contributed, here, in the past year??? Lens / diodes / drivers / software / schems / circuit-diagrams / programming tips / shows / indi-animations...
Oh yeah, and http://www.photonlexicon.com/wiki/in...itle=Main_Page and http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...chmentid=13204 etc, etc.. I could go on, but... :rolleyes:

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...the DIY folks..

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:confused: http://hacylon.case.edu/ebay/laser_diode/FlexModP3.php / http://www.greenlaser.co.uk/ / http://luminavp.com.au/sales.html / http://www.laser-man.co.uk/
..et al...Where the heck do you think these 'Co's' came-from, man??? :rolleyes:

..and I can tell ya - (..in-case you were 'poking' at us / me, specifically...) not a single full-system, here, just 'came in a box from the PROC'...100% hand-crafted, 'DIY'-designed systems-integration, at the furthest-out.. :cool:...and, our-stuff is the *least* of the outstanding examples, in this forum.. ie: Do I need to post Pat B's "DIY's'? :rolleyes: That's why most of the 'PL-Pros' are here, cause they *do* 'DIY', or at least, came from that foundation...

So.. your point is invalid. :p

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..they aren't afraid to share some knowledge and new ideas.

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See above.. I rest my case. Those that choose *not* to 'share', either don't because a) they have 'competitors', that also visit-PL, and they are under zero-obligation to-share whole ideas that may put them at a dis-advantage in the marketplace / with competitors, b) often-times, yes - a 'Pro' or Co may not share a complete-design, or, may 'share by selling' a finished-product, but - at least it's not some rip-off clone from someone else!!! Or, thrown-together with shoddy-materials / craftsmanship / black marker over the 'real-info', etc :rolleyes:

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If you guys really contributed as much as you think you contibute I might be singing a different tune.

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How about this suggestion: Maybe you should open your eyes a little wider, and stop being so cynical / critical of whatever-level of help, the 'pros of PL', *are*-giving to this community... I can tell ya this much - it's 100% more than all the other Pro Co's that *aren't* here, giving / helping, so... :p

I gotta go to werk... You have a good-time with your dart-set... O_o
j

Well i do like the idea of giving helpful members who share their ideas a note on their name but rep systems or awards can get out of hand.

Steve's request was for an avatar for people with variances or who have helped put on a legal laser show. And I am saying that there are plenty of folks on here that DON'T have variances who deserve recognition a lot more for what they have done on here. Most of those people you mentioned would not qualify for the avatar he had in mind. So, again, your point is invalid. Pay attention.

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Steve's request was for an avatar for people with variances or who have helped put on a legal laser show. And I am saying that there are plenty of folks on here that DON'T have variances who deserve recognition a lot more for what they have done on here. Most of those people you mentioned would not qualify for the avatar he had in mind. So, again, your point is invalid. Pay attention.

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Gary, I don't want to get caught in this fray but, I will chime in briefly, both in defense of Jon as well as Steve. Actually, the people he mentioned are a mixed bag. Some are in other countries that don't require a variance (Rob and Andy come to mind) and the ones he mentioned in the US I'm certain have something in their background that would fit the spirit of Steve's proposal. In addition, Steve's original post addressed the fact that a provision would be made for those who aren't in countries that require a variance or it's equivalent but, have attained a certain level of professionalism. He even addresses lab/holo guys as well. So, perhaps some attention needs to be redirected on your part too.

I think the intent here is some small symbol that demonstrates that you have attained some level of professionalism and sets you apart from the novice, weekend dj, casual reader or basement experimenter. You have developed and sell a piece of laser software that some regard highly. Heck, I own a couple of copies. That to me, is an accomplishment which also elevates you to a level of professionalism over the novice, weekend dj,.... More so that what I have done thus far to "qualify", which is write a check to ILDA. I have no familiarity with anything else in your laser background. I'm still learning. I have a long way to go. I've filed for a variance. I WILL do safe, professional shows. The more of them under my belt, the more I might just want a little something under my avatar. Oh wait.... first, I think, I need an avatar to begin with! (Jon..? Where's that logo!?! I think I found another use!:))

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..... rep systems or awards can get out of hand.

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You mean even at the Pre-inception stage (like this)?
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You mean even at the Pre-inception stage (like this)?
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That dear sir deserves a burst. :)

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Permission to kipe your Quote / make a T-shirt, Sir? :cool: ..Yes, I'll 'send ya one' if I do... :) "Engineer" On-it, doesn't always mean Engineer IN-it.. *retardo LOVE-it! :)

j

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Please do, I'll order a dozen for the flock I'm babysiting...

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Gary, I don't want to get caught in this fray but, I will chime in briefly, both in defense of Jon as well as Steve. Actually, the people he mentioned are a mixed bag. Some are in other countries that don't require a variance (Rob and Andy come to mind) and the ones he mentioned in the US I'm certain have something in their background that would fit the spirit of Steve's proposal. In addition, Steve's original post addressed the fact that a provision would be made for those who aren't in countries that require a variance or it's equivalent but, have attained a certain level of professionalism. He even addresses lab/holo guys as well. So, perhaps some attention needs to be redirected on your part too.

I think the intent here is some small symbol that demonstrates that you have attained some level of professionalism and sets you apart from the novice, weekend dj, casual reader or basement experimenter. You have developed and sell a piece of laser software that some regard highly. Heck, I own a couple of copies. That to me, is an accomplishment which also elevates you to a level of professionalism over the novice, weekend dj,.... More so that what I have done thus far to "qualify", which is write a check to ILDA. I have no familiarity with anything else in your laser background. I'm still learning. I have a long way to go. I've filed for a variance. I WILL do safe, professional shows. The more of them under my belt, the more I might just want a little something under my avatar. Oh wait.... first, I think, I need an avatar to begin with! (Jon..? Where's that logo!?! I think I found another use!:))

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I understand the spirit of what Steve was asking for. I'm not opposed to it because I don't think there is any REAL harm in it. But, at the same time, I don't see any point in it, and I think it might end up hurting some feelings. (WAH WAH) Anyone displaying such an avatar is not going to be treated as elite or get a bonus in their paycheck. It might make those people FEEL a little more elite than those who don't have them and it might make those who don't have them feel somewhat inferior to those who have them but what good will come of that? Best case is that people will see your badges and target you out as the ones to ask questions. It has already been illustrated that some of these "pros" have very little patience for questions from newbies since their responses are often in the spirit of "RTFM". It might result in someone getting a job lead but the chances of that are probably around 0.1%. People seriously looking to employ laserists are not going to sign up for a free forum such as this with all of the BS that goes along with it to post a job opening. There will be people who are looking for hobbyist and people not so serious about their work since they often work for peanuts. See the festival thread for example and at the same time look how the OP was treated by those "pros". I guess what I don't really like about it is that Steve is basically stating that he knows more than most people on here so he and others should be recognized for it in every post that he/they make. That's basically what it really boils down to. He could easily create an avatar that says whatever he wants that would do essentially the same thing. But, he wants Spec to do it so that other people can't also gloat about their achievements unless they fit the rules that he has defined.

I am open to someone explaining to me what good will come out of that and why it is needed or even desired here.

Point very well taken. Nor am I in disagreement with it. Yes, it could very well cause some problems... and Steve did admit to it being somewhat elitist and "ego stroking". And fortunately, we have this forum in the first place to debate the pros and cons. My guess will be that it will never come to fruition in it's originally proposed form but, maybe after healthy discussion, a palatable idea will arise. We have the bolder blue typeface for those of us that contribute monetarily which, in a sense, sets some members apart and, I don't know for certain, but I'm sure there is some thread buried here where the origins of that were debated and discussed.

Oh, and thanks for the avatar logo Jon! That's been on my to do list for about 8 months...

Well Steve’s proposal would help me in one way. It would make it easier to distinguish if I’m being dazzled with brilliance or just being baffled with bullshit.*retardo

I'm clearly one of the "junior members" Steve knew would chime in (scream?) and I'm completely ambivalent as to whether this actually comes to pass. I think most who frequent this forum can easily recognize which members are pros (as well as those who are helpful) just based on the content of their posts. I already have a lot of respect for guys like Steve and many others here who are incredible resources for the community, and I don't think a few medallions or logos beneath their names would change that for better or worse.

It does seem like it would require a significant effort on the part of the administrator to vet everyone's credentials and keep track of them.

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Please do, I'll order a dozen for the flock I'm babysiting...

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..Well, here ya go, SF..

Attachment 30218 :) ..and - you'll know 'who needs-one', when you ask someone to 'read it'...and they start rambling-something about 'train-tracks', etc.. *retardo

..lemme know if ya want the .eps-art.. I'd go to spreadshirt.com - who we used for the 'SoCaLEM'...Great service / pricing.. you can upload your art, right into the web-app / layout the T / size, etc spec T-sizes / colors, and fire off yer order... 5-Stars to that-site / Co... :cool:

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..thanks for the avatar logo... That's been on my to do list for about 8 months...

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U bet, Mang... :cool: just a 'pro' tryin to help-out, where he can.. :p:p:p

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My guess will be that it will never come to fruition in it's originally proposed form but, maybe after healthy discussion, a palatable idea will arise.

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This forum could just continue to badger and throw stones at the amateurs that walk by.... O_o

Oh wait, this don't apply to IRC does it? *retardo

I am against such badge schemes. I have the AU equivalent of a Variance, but I don't need no stinking gold star or purple elephant badge for people to know I am a cranky miserable old bastard.

i dont have a variance.............................and i'm me!

Umm....
I gotta add my two cents here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yJomUhs0g

I'm still not clear 'why'?

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Umm....
I gotta add my two cents here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3yJomUhs0g

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I am just curious how you knew that video?

@ Nate.. http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ons/icon14.png Lol...

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I'm still not clear 'why'?

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..it's a 'star-bellied sneetch-thang', you wouldn't understand.. *retardo

jk.. cheers..
j

I wanna star on my belly. Cab i has a star peez? :)

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I wanna star on my belly.

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I highly-recommend Roselyn Sanchez... http://www.google.com/search?q=rosel...ed=0CAcQ_AUoAQ :eek:

...not that I'd *know* *retardo ..just sayin.. :p She's pretty-foxy...
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Yes, you certainly-are, Cap'n!!! :cool::cool::cool:

Btw, I think you have an 'invitation you need to open', Sir, http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...php?groupid=16 :p ..and.. you still owe me an autograph.. http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...chmentid=30061 *retardo

j

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Have children, you find there is a whole different world out there.
Not that I would know, I don't have any.
Steve

so where is Spec in all this does he want to give out stars?
Maybe we could pay him 10$ for a star next to your name.

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I'm still not clear 'why'?

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The idea was to encourage people to find out about compliance and professionalism,
and sneetches.
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Yeh, ok Jon.. when's she commin over ? lol . The wifey might object .. maybe a 3some.. ok sry for the tdjack ,, back to steve's thread ...
(oops .. didnt see page 3-)

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so where is Spec in all this does he want to give out stars?

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Reading this thread to see where it goes. I tend to do that.

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Reading this thread to see where it goes.

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Where else...?? Roselyn and Sneetches!!

(Not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. Gotta have a diversion now and again!)

Oh boy! Spec's here!!! Now we all get gold starz!!! Wheeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

ill pay 10$ to have my star removed please.
Thanks

Everyone gets a star?

Everyone was created equal.

Some created more equal than others.

So in the Sneetches story....... Sylvester McMonkey McBean = X-Laser?