UK Laserists- Please contact me.

I have a client inquiry for a pretty decent show tour in the UK this Summer. The budget does not allow for CT. Lasers to come over and do the shows. However, I told them I would check with some colleagues across the pond. Their budget is approximately 500 pounds per show. I am not aware of current practical UK show pricing. I told the client that I had NO idea of this was an acceptable budget or not.

You will need at least-

(2) 12+ Watt RGB's (I quoted (3) 20 Watt RGB's) LEGITIMATE RGB's). Not 18 watts of blue and a few mW here and there of other colors.
high output foggers

Interested members please *DO NOT* contact me here. I am very rarely on here anymore. Please E-mail me at

marc at ctlasers dot com

I will provide you more information and client contact details.

I hope everyone is well and had a great Holiday season / New year.

-Marc
-CT. Lasers

"Pretty decent" and "£500 per show" for 2x 12W+ RGB's and op, control system, decent hazers and consumables are not entirely compatible I wouldn't think.
Best of luck to them if they find someone.

it will be not easy to find someone with laser 12W+ who want to do show for 500GBP... even in poland

"Pretty decent" + "2x 12W+" + "£500 per show" in one sentence... no way

500 GBP is ridiculous budget even in Eastern Europe for 12+ W.

For Marc's benefit, in the UK, day rates are typically £150-£250 for techs, travel at 45p per mile, hazer/fogger ~£40/day. Accomodation and sustenance extra.
My 8W RGB are over £500/pair/day (and I'm cheap compared to other companies). Martin at Synchrovision has sojme good rates on Kvant projector hire, but even he can't do the dry hire for £500, before you even factor crew costs. Somebody may also want to charge for Beyond/control system too.
If the laser company is VAT registered don't forget to add 20%.


What is an acceptable rate in the US Marc? $1500?

I'll be honest guys...

I have NO idea what typical shows are priced for in the UK. I just remember many posts from here over the years where many UK laserists would comment on what we charged here in the USA (usually considerably more) for shows and how they couldn't get what we charged here. However, these shows, referenced in this post, I *did* quote out on the "cheaper" end as it is for cancer benefits. I had a brother pass away from cancer. So whenever I can help out a cause to benefit cancer care, awareness, fundraising...etc I do as much as I can.

I got a couple emails regarding this inquiry. I completely understand if none of you are willing to do it. I know now that the budget, even for "community service" may not be realistic.

@norty- If this was a "regular" show here in the USA- outdoors, 3 RGB's 20+W, staff, FAA, full production of an approx. 15-20 minute show and all of the typical "business costs," this would easily contract out for about $10k+. If I was doing it here in the USA for a cancer cause (legitimate, well known cancer service) I would do it for bare costs. Pretty much just enough to cover labor and costs for the event. Maybe $2000-$3000.

-Marc

If I had the lasers required (and I was available) then I might have done it for this money... but it would be for 'community service' as Marc says.

I don't mind doing stuff for cheap or even, god forbid, "free" IF I have the time/equipment to do it. I know this will bring on all sorts of rants about "hobiests destroying our industry" etc but I firmly believe that karma and 'good will' are almost as valuable to my business as hard currency.

However, I don't have the kit or the free time at the moment, hence my lack of response till now... however I thought I had to make this comment as it seems a certain 'capitalist/mercenary' mood has descended on the forum in this thread... that bubble needed bursting.

:)

To be fair, I don't think anyone knew if was for a charity when they discussed prices.

I to would give my time for such a good cause, having had it personally touch my family. I do not have the equipment or skills to do something of this scale though.

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If I had the lasers required (and I was available) then I might have done it for this money... but it would be for 'community service' as Marc says.

I don't mind doing stuff for cheap or even, god forbid, "free" IF I have the time/equipment to do it. I know this will bring on all sorts of rants about "hobiests destroying our industry" etc but I firmly believe that karma and 'good will' are almost as valuable to my business as hard currency.

However, I don't have the kit or the free time at the moment, hence my lack of response till now... however I thought I had to make this comment as it seems a certain 'capitalist/mercenary' mood has descended on the forum in this thread... that bubble needed bursting.

:)

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TBH, the charity element adds a different slant to proceedings, might've been good to mention that at the start.
Also, I think the threads talking about low rates in the UK are if some vintage now, where typical projector sizes were in the 4-6w region.
Based on the original post I stand by what I wrote. I can't make the numbers work for my situation. It's not mercenary or capitalist, it's simply time that is finite being used on low paying jobs versus moderate paying jobs that still don't adequately cover the cost of ownership.

Despite how it reads, I wasn't having a pop at anyone... :)

Well, no one in the U.K. anyways ;)

I just meant that the "value" of a job isn't always monetary... something I think a few of us are starting to forget to take into consideration more and more.
Even if it wasn't a 'charity job' I'd still have considered it if circumstances were right... there's always the possibility it could be fun/bring new contacts/lead to other better paid jobs etc...

I won the contract for the tour that's keeping me busy till May through a similar 'free job' and this tour has pretty much kept me well employed since August last year... hence I wasn't at the last LEM :/

Oh I getcha point. I have a few jobs each year that I do for the crack and because the crew are great and we always have a good time. And they always seem to lead to other things.

With the value of the pound versus the dollar, if there were enough dates on this tour in a short enough period of time to make it worthwhile, hell I'd consider bringing the gear over the pond and doing it for 500 pounds per show. That's about $825 US dollars per event. With cheap lodging and inexpensive food and the chance to spend a couple months in the UK for next to nothing, I'd be all over it. When you think about what I make per hour at my real job and compare it to what you could make doing this AND spend a couple months in the UK, for the right person, it could be a good deal.

I think if this were for projectors in the 3-5W range it'd be more realistic. 12W+ is a fairly hefty investment, and this job wants multiples of them.
Its really a job for the hobbyists, but hobbyists are unlikely to have the higher powered gear.
Conversely, a company with many 12W+ projectors on the books is likely to be full time, and probably busy for a long term tour commitment.

Its a low ball budget. With such low profit a hobbyist could do it but he would be doing it for fun with the hours at the event not being payed. That is the same as working for free for an employer. Ask an average guy if he wants to go to his work every day and work for no payment. Pretty sure the answer will be :F....K OFF >:) and they are right. A company would laugh at this budget and a hobbyist can,t afford 12W projectors if this is going to be the price level. Its funny because hobbyists want to have dirtcheap parts and the event managers take advantage of that:rolleyes:

Cheap doesn,t make the world go around.........[popcorn]

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You will need at least-

(2) 12+ Watt RGB's (I quoted (3) 20 Watt RGB's) LEGITIMATE RGB's). Not 18 watts of blue and a few mW here and there of other colors.
high output foggers

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This is a pretty rich list for a group that is raising money for charity. This doesn't invalidate it, but some of these "charity events" can be multimillion dollar productions. Does the economizing pertain to everything? For example, does security get paid a reduced wage?