Please contain all found bugs/errors from the move to this thread to make it easier for me to keep track of while I tear through them.
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Please contain all found bugs/errors from the move to this thread to make it easier for me to keep track of while I tear through them.
dkumpula drank all my wine.
That's not a new issue, it's been recurring for years.
60 second ban issued for attempted theft of DZ's championship ring.
It was my wine, then I gave it to you, then I decided I need it back. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by swamidog
....and then you stole my landQuote:
Originally Posted by dkumpula
Testing 123, Can steve have his white space and paragraph indentation again
Lets see..
Hum.. Hits save..
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. (hits enter here TWICE for CL-LF test)
Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
. Nope...
Steve
site seems snappy. Thank you.
Are you calling me an "Indian giver"?!Quote:
Originally Posted by swamidog
what is is you said to me while i was sleeping in your disco? i'm sure you remember, it was right before you sent up the burly carny worker with the sawzall...Quote:
Originally Posted by dkumpula
The quote was “How do you feel about being lied to and then forceably relocated?” In my defense though, you did get breakfast and lattes out of the deal! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by swamidog
that's a fair point!Quote:
Originally Posted by dkumpula
Otherwise all is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admin
Thanks for all you do.
...Mike
No https anymore?
Site update rate is well above screaming and is approaching SR-71 or faster, As I type this paper is catching fire on my desk from character updates whizzing by.
Thanks for all you do Robert...
Steve
If I log in to www.photonlexicon.com and then go to photonlexicon.com with no www, my cookies are no good. I'm not going to get into the no-www vs yes-www religious debate though :P
This should be fixed and all non secure traffic should be routing to :443/https now, at least as far as this domain is concerned. Hot linking stuff from elsewhere that isn't ssl'd will give a mixed content error, but nothing here is borked.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnYayas
This is... a complicated issue. There was a package maintainer for the sso/mediawiki integration but he disappeared from the vbulletin arena back in 2014 or so. This left the package in a bad state as time moved on. In a nutshell, it relied on an older version of mediawiki that is *now* exploitable and does not work with newer/safer version of php7. If memory serves, php5.3 was the cutoff. My option is to run a newer version of mediawiki as it's own entity. This will necessitate everyone who wants to interact with the wiki here to manually register a second account here. This is not ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by clickamouse
There is another system I will attempt to integrate in a few days based on dokuwiki that is actively being maintained. This should work and auto populate it's user database from the forum here. That is assuming I don't run across any glaring issues, knowing my luck recently I feel safer adding this qualifier. :)
As an aside: The gallery is very dead. Menalto quit development years ago and the software has fallen into a similar state of disrepair. Only in this case, no other packages rose up to take the crown because every forum software package on the planet implemented their own shitty gallery/albums systems. It was easier, so migration to these built-in was quick and remorseless.
Who would have thought that all my "performance tuning"(lol) to get this somewhat responsive at the previous host would eventually net benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by mixedgas
It's less of a debate and more of a holy war. It's setup now as a virtualhost alias and I've mangled the cookies to mitigate the issue, if you see this again let me know. I still have a number of things to take care of, but settling on one or the other without using lazy rewrites is on the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by j4cbo
This text and your quote is immediately before the pre tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by mixedgas
Pre
Tags
Solve
This
But it's fundamental to how html is rendered and has it's own
s p e c i a l s n o w f l a k e
issues.
Most noticeably: fonts getting collapsed into a monospace variant like you see here.
Welcome to the future of "friendly" CSS implementations that are, well, special.
And not the good special.
Anywho, if you really really really need this, in the full editor/go advanced option the last icon I added that looks like static will wrap your entire postbit in pre tags
This text is immediately after the /pre
2 requests:
1. Know it's been asked for before but any chance of a like button?
2. Can Swami and DKumpula please be careful what they talk about in public. Hearing about ring theft whilst Swami slept in Dkumpulas disco is putting me off my breakfast. ;)
Bug?? Issue?? I'll give you a damn issue.... I wasn't able to buy anything on here for several LONG hours! You're killing me! :rolleyes:
Ok, fine. Please provide a compelling use case for having a thumbs up/like system here and I will implement one I just found that isn't too invasive and doesn't hook back to third party content aggregators.Quote:
Originally Posted by White-Light
I am sorry to have put you through what must have been an extremely traumatic experience. In an attempt to make up for it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradfo69
Let's pretend that you just bought PL and you are now the site admin. This should surely sate your purchasing frenzy for at least 15 minutes. Congrats on purchasing a tire fire! I would like to introduce myself as your lowly moderator who does nothing but exercise your will on the board.
So Mr. Overlord-Bossman Supreme: What's the first order of business?
I don't know why but I don't like the idea of a "like" system. It really serves no purpose other than turning each thread into a pissing match. If people are going to base their interest in a thread solely on how many likes it has, then knowledge is secondary while entertainment is primary. I think you should stand firm on a "like" system and keep it out of our forum. Just my $0.02.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admin
I am quite sure Brad was just kidding around, living up to his reputation as the big spender of copious amounts of laser gear. I have no doubt he appreciates (as we all do) all you do for our forum.Quote:
Let's pretend that you just bought PL and you are now the site admin. This should surely sate your purchasing frenzy for at least 15 minutes. Congrats on purchasing a tire fire! I would like to introduce myself as your lowly moderator who does nothing but exercise your will on the board.
I'm sure that was probably asked before but I can't find it. To be honest, I didn't look very hard but... what happened to the gallery?
Well, I've certainly been hesitant to implement a likes system in the past because of the reasons you specify. However there are a number of people who just cruise around the board without posting or feel that posting 15 characters to add nothing substantive to the thread is a waste. A simple thumbs up system would allow for interaction with minimal downside. Now a thumbs-up/thumbs-down system would be an absolute unmitigated shitshow like the star rating system and thread-tags have been in the past here.Quote:
Originally Posted by absolom7691
Ohh shit, heres a guy I don't like - thumbs down, 1 star, personal character attacks in thread tags, and a reply calling him and his mother names - That'll teach him.
The code behind the gallery has seen no security updates in years, is easily exploitable, and generally just flat out non functional now. At best it's a security issue, at worst it's like making your password "password"
I still have all the data and user galleries, all of which I can pack up and return to the account holders as requested or try to do something with like put up an archive page of previous uploads.
Ideally there would be a way to shovel all the data into the vbulletin gallery system here, but I've yet to find one other than ask users to reupload stuff.
As far as solutions go, it's a pretty bad one.
Yep, that! Well, for a like system, I suppose that could work as long as a downvote option isn't included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JNGI1dI-e8Quote:
At best it's a security issue, at worst it's like making your password "password"
I want to bitch for a few minutes about the gallery...
A long time ago I moved all the attachments out of the database into the file system because it made a hell of a lot more sense to have a <5GB database consisting mostly of the posts/pm/text instead of a 50GB database containing all the uploads/attachments also.
That and it was much much much faster to display the information when someone made a request and make sane database backups *much* quicker.
galleryproject stores it's data like this in the file system:
/g2data/albums/users/user_name/album_name/filename.jpg
The database is effectively usernames/passwords/access control lists/EXIF data/user comments.
Now on to vbulletin.
Attachments in vbulletin are stored as:
/vbulletin.attachment/1/0/1/4/2/44533.attach
/vbulletin.attachment/1/0/1/4/2/44533.thumb
vbulletin album raw data is stored as:
/vbulletin.albums/5ea2bfb78844fa6fbd095a658c12fa40_1577.ext
/vbulletin.albums/1179.picture
There is an unbelievably nasty database call that links all this garbage together with a username/uuid and then links that with any extra text that may exist, like comments/view counters. There are no granular controls that are useful because the underlying system for it was a "simple" add-on. And this doesn't even begin to scratch the surface on how they are first generated/handled.
There are maybe 15 options I have to play with, and they all revolve around how they are displayed and who they are displayed to. Hell, even the thumbnails are hard linked to the attachment system, so they are authoritative.
If I want a better album system, then I need to shell out for vbulletin 5, where there are more controls, but not that many more. Fuck that. Everything I've seen shows me that vb5 is a one way trip and I would lose the ability to import/export to any other system if vb5 turned out to be hot garbage.
Now the galleryproject gallery that was running here wasn't exactly pleasant to keep running but at least it made sense and served it's purpose well:
Files were stored in the file system with their original names.
Files were grouped by uploader account name into a filesystem directory bearing the same name.
Thumbnails were generated and cached in the filesystem for a chosen length of time.
All this was stored as unique IDs in the database that reference the owner, directly.
It just made sense. It's a shame the project died and garbage like "albums" are thought of as a replacement.
The two systems are effectively mutually incompatible and however ridiculous a system to merge the two would be, it could only be worse if the vbulletin attachments/gallery were stored in the database also.
As best I can tell, there is no third party gallery system that has an import function for galleryproject, so I couldn't even use one of those as a bridge.
Maybe after I get a wiki up and working I can shovel the data in there with headers/what not to reference the existing data, but that idea is so far away right now you'd have to get a telescope to see it.
Well, It's 3am and talking about this has given me a compelling urge to become a professional alcoholic.
Bingo. Yes, that was absolutely teasing. Hence the rolled eyes emoji. :) Truthfully when PL is down, it's a bit of a blessing to save me from myself and lurking in the buy sell thread. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by absolom7691
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But yes, I certainly appreciate all you do to keep this up and running since it has connected me with what has become some of my best friends and, some of the best people on the planet. And, a reason why you've been receiving my money every month for approaching a decade. :)
TBH, It's on most boards now and just gives a way of approving a post without having to post thanks etc. In fact many boards have like and thanks buttons. As for it being a popularity contest, that's not been my experience with the system elsewhere. There is no way of tracking overall likes usually, and if the was, I'd suggest keeping stats off people's profiles. Best used as a comment only thanks / approval. Dislike or voting down, definitely a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by absolom7691
Yeah a lot of the 1st page posts were very jokey. I think most people just saw this 1st part of the thread as a bit of fun and it only became more serious in the last page or two. My comment about Swami and DJKumpla's disco, was certainly a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by absolom7691
Robert, if the gallery's a nightmare, why not do away with it entirely? That's 50GB of storage and a lot of bandwidth saved. Yep I know externally linked images sometimes expire and that can cause images to disappear over time. However, it's the system most boards use. Very few host locally anymore (presumably because of the costs).
Personally, I think a like button adds very little value and is just something else spec has to worry with.
If I make some post and 20 people like it so what. If I make a post and no one likes it, so what.
Am I supposed to feel better or worse by it?
Are other people supposed to pay more attention to posts that are liked?
Can't people think for themselves?
Feel free to dislike this post. No need to push a button or reply if you do or don't. Easy peasy nice and easy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnYayas
I agree no like button. In fact I?d rather have an F off button that lets you burn the post in a flash of smoke and flame. Much more satisfying. Or how about a dead horse button. Free shipping on amazon....
Hey one other point. We should pay something if we post over say 100 posts a year and buy storage for images. I?d happily give you 60 a year if it would help. But I have cash. Many don?t. Maybe do a nag screen like wiki once a year. I?d donate if only asked or reminded to do it.
It helps identify good answers to a question or post. As for it not working, I go on a few other forums for non laser related stuff, and it works very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnYayas
We also have a like system on here already, it just involves people posting "+1 14 characters" or " I agree entirely" etc, which is far more of a pain and eats up storage as it increases the post count unnecessarily where a simple "like" vote would have added a few characters into an existing post.
From the sounds of it the biggest headache for admin on here is the gallery system which costs him a fortune in storage, bandwidth (every time someone views a post with a pic or uploads one), and a major headache with maintaining it. Yep it preserves images for ever, but at what cost? That's the real elephant in the room when there are hosts such as Imgbb to which you can upload pictures entirely for free and without an account.
Updated your user title here, no charge breh. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bradfo69
Bandwidth is cheap all thing considered, storage(done right) and processor time is the killer. I was unbelievably processor constrained at the previous host. This is no longer an issue on this dedicated box as far as current usage/peak goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by White-Light
The gallery here is a little less that 5GB without all the overhead. The vbulletin attachments that have been uploaded to the board are pushing 50GB - I didn't get rid of the gallery because I feel that not losing data is important. While the gallery is gone, the lookup system in play now works to get access to the old content, even if it's not something that can be added to automatically. I feel I've done my job keeping the data alive and now accessible.
The only way the existing gallery will become expensive enough to warrant looking hard at it is if someone hotlinks the content to a very popular location. At that point I can just toss in a .htaccess file that will redirect every image they hotlink to some offensive hardcore porn.Quote:
Originally Posted by White-Light
Hotlinking is my primary concern with the FTP which is still in progress of getting spun back up here. That's 60GB by itself and can consume a non trivial amount of bandwidth. Doubly so if someone decides to test out their shiny gigabit connection against it.
So heres the issue now. I want r/w access for everyone that wants it. and read only for everyone else. The /symlink that displayed it in http here was... exploited. The problem I had in the past is that some "kind soul" decided to stuff it full of .htaccess files designed to stuff your cookies with their amazon affiliate code. Another one tried to remap system directories to public... which is another issue entirely.
Easiest solution: Read only, but that basically means it's a dead service.
Better solution: Single ftp account with write access given out to trusted people, public symlink access for everyone else.
Better-er solution: User accounts for ftp only with restrictive home directories and shred suspect files before merging the content on a timer to something like the old symlink. Anonymous logins for read access.
Better-er-est solution: Hook into vbulletin using the darkest of black magic to generate user accounts for the ftp as it's own isolated service. Users have a private directory that isn't shared and a shared public directory that will allow them to upload to a directly accessible location that everyone can see but only allow users to delete files they uploaded via access controls or other such voodoo.
I like the last one, so that's what I've been beating my head against the wall to do for the past few days.
So I'm a speshul snowflake or the css whatever designer is???? Inquiring minds (if I still have one) want to know...
Or is "Pre" some Ancient Chinese Secret?
Oh wait, this pre thing works, never mind...yeah! Static lookin Icon rulz...
Its cliché day at Here at Planet Polymer University ;)
LMAO!!!! "Pending BST Forum Purchases: $47,127,283.53" . Hmmm, I am curious how accurate this is. Brad????Quote:
Originally Posted by Admin
I’d bet the number is higher!
SEE??? There IS a need for a "like" button! :)*retardo:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Admin