Help to make animation?

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11-05-2019, 09:38
Datsurb

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Help to make animation?

A friend of mine is playing in a band, and i want to suprise him setting up some lasers for their upcomming yearly liveconsert. They have a bandlogo with this dude walking. I really would like to animate this figure and make it look like he is actually walking, tap his feet to the rythm etc. Have been trying using QuickTime and the frame editor, but i realise this is not my strongest side.

So - are there anybody here capable and willing to look into the matter? Format could be anything that QuickTime or Beyond can use. When using Quick Trace, I see that the que in OK quality will contain about 350 points.
This is actually the first time i ask for help through PL during my years here. :question:

I put up the jpg with the Logo. Is i can`t attach the QT Cue with the animation so far, i can send it by mail or PM. You might PM me if there are any questions you want to ask in private.

And the band name? Svigermors Drøm. "Mother in law`s dream"

Espen
11-05-2019, 18:00
kecked

Draw the walk on paper then trace in beyond. Make the hair length move a bit so it looks organic. Head should move to with arms. Foot tap could be simple two frames but I’d move the head back as the foot comes down and make the hair track.

its going take work but you can do it just work slowly.
11-19-2019, 09:59
lasermaster1977

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Originally Posted by Datsurb

A friend of mine is playing in a band, and i want to suprise him setting up some lasers for their upcomming yearly liveconsert. They have a bandlogo with this dude walking. I really would like to animate this figure and make it look like he is actually walking, tap his feet to the rythm etc. Have been trying using QuickTime and the frame editor, but i realise this is not my strongest side.

So - are there anybody here capable and willing to look into the matter? Format could be anything that QuickTime or Beyond can use. When using Quick Trace, I see that the que in OK quality will contain about 350 points.
This is actually the first time i ask for help through PL during my years here. :question:

I put up the jpg with the Logo. Is i can`t attach the QT Cue with the animation so far, i can send it by mail or PM. You might PM me if there are any questions you want to ask in private.

And the band name? Svigermors Drøm. "Mother in law`s dream"

Espen

Love the dude. What is the latest you would need it? I might take a crack at it...
11-20-2019, 14:28
Datsurb

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Originally Posted by lasermaster1977

Love the dude. What is the latest you would need it? I might take a crack at it...

The gig are this weekend. But I still would love if you could have a go. It would be used at a later show then. Feel free to do whatever you like and choose. Anything goes in the rock & roll world.

Sorry for the late response. Been busy at work as usual.

Espen
11-20-2019, 14:45
lasermaster1977

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Originally Posted by Datsurb

The gig are this weekend. But I still would love if you could have a go. It would be used at a later show then. Feel free to do whatever you like and choose. Anything goes in the rock & roll world.

Sorry for the late response. Been busy at work as usual.

Espen

Thanks Espen. So, for sure I can't swing miracles for this weekend, but be patient and I'll give 'er a go, eh?
11-20-2019, 21:41
Datsurb

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Originally Posted by lasermaster1977

Thanks Espen. So, for sure I can't swing miracles for this weekend, but be patient and I'll give 'er a go, eh?

No miracle expected. ;)
11-26-2019, 19:55
lasermaster1977

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Originally Posted by Datsurb

No miracle expected. ;)

Datsurb,

Just wanted to give you an update. I've completed the artwork for an 8 cell animation of the dude walking. Next I'll digitize these 8 frames using my old Apple IIe system to see how it plays on my ILDA compliant laser projector and make tweaks as needed. Then I'll need to make it into an ILDA frame animation using QuickShow.

Stay tuned for "the Mother-In-Law's dream dude"...
11-30-2019, 13:15
Datsurb

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Originally Posted by lasermaster1977

Datsurb,

Just wanted to give you an update. I've completed the artwork for an 8 cell animation of the dude walking. Next I'll digitize these 8 frames using my old Apple IIe system to see how it plays on my ILDA compliant laser projector and make tweaks as needed. Then I'll need to make it into an ILDA frame animation using QuickShow.

Stay tuned for "the Mother-In-Law's dream dude"...

That’s amazing. Didn’t know there were any AppleII still alive and kicking out there. Looking forward too see the result.

thanks for bothering.

Espen
11-30-2019, 13:51
lasermaster1977

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Originally Posted by Datsurb

That’s amazing. Didn’t know there were any AppleII still alive and kicking out there. Looking forward too see the result.

thanks for bothering.

Espen

Yep, the ol' IIe still struts its stuff. I just finished digitizing the 8 trial frames of "dude" and made a quickie animation sequence. I'll do a video later today and post the youtube link here.

I realized a few evenings ago it should be pretty simple for me to write an ILDA bitmap translator to go from my custom Apple II image format to an .ILD file. I must admit, this has been fun.

I hope it is usable for you. I kinda gave him some attitude in his gate. Here is the YouTube link: https://youtu.be/9HwpPFmjBP0

I'm open to any feedback.

I'm happy to change or add colors if you have any preferences but I can provide 7 choices, Red, Grn, Blue, Yel, Cya, Vio and Wht.
12-01-2019, 13:11
Datsurb

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Originally Posted by lasermaster1977

I hope it is usable for you. I kinda gave him some attitude in his gate. Here is the YouTube link: https://youtu.be/9HwpPFmjBP0

I'm open to any feedback.

I'm happy to change or add colors if you have any preferences but I can provide 7 choices, Red, Grn, Blue, Yel, Cya, Vio and Wht.

The drawing and line work is beautiful. What scanspeed are you using? It looks rather good compared to the traced image when using QT or Beyond. It might also be the video itself, but when using my phone filming the image with the scanners set to 30k it slickers more than I like it to do. My main Projectors have 30K scanners and I don’t want to drive them to hard.

As for the colors, don’t think to much about it. That I can fix myself. It is the animation that I really suck on doing.

if there are only one small detail I might want to suggest can be done to make the anim a little better, it would be to make it a little more smooth between first and last drawing in the animation. It seems like he have gotten a serious limp, but that might be the case since he have just started walking.

ekeefe made me an anim gif that I traced in QS, and despite the flicker it cane out quite nice. A little different style than your version.

Big thanks to you for doing this. Looking forward to see the final result.

Espen
12-01-2019, 14:05
lasermaster1977

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Originally Posted by Datsurb

The drawing and line work is beautiful. What scanspeed are you using? It looks rather good compared to the traced image when using QT or Beyond. It might also be the video itself, but when using my phone filming the image with the scanners set to 30k it slickers more than I like it to do. My main Projectors have 30K scanners and I don’t want to drive them to hard.

As for the colors, don’t think to much about it. That I can fix myself. It is the animation that I really suck on doing.

if there are only one small detail I might want to suggest can be done to make the anim a little better, it would be to make it a little more smooth between first and last drawing in the animation. It seems like he have gotten a serious limp, but that might be the case since he have just started walking.

ekeefe made me an anim gif that I traced in QS, and despite the flicker it cane out quite nice. A little different style than your version.

Big thanks to you for doing this. Looking forward to see the final result.

Espen

I haven't optimized the image frames yet. This is primarily the first pass to see how 9 frames look. The first effort I did not post was 8 frames but didn't look as good as 9 frames which uses frame 4 twice. The gated walk is intentional. I'll post another version that should be smoother, but one issue is that the base drawing you provided (frame 6) is a rather unnatural walking "high step" gate, so I tried to optimize this unique leg position and appearance. The first frame is "rope-drawn" and starts the animation sequence beginning with frame 6. The 9 frame loop repeats 10 times before stopping on the 6th "reference" frame. Each frame is drawn 6 times which sets to overall loop-rate. The walk gets faster the fewer times each frame is repeated before going to the next frame. Also, I cheated a little by using frame 4 twice in the sequence as I alluded to earlier. So the frame sequence goes 7,8,4,1,2,3,4,5,6 then repeats 10 times. (Maybe I should make another unique frame (#9) instead of using frame #4 twice.)

I'm using a cheap Chinese 1W projector by Magnum Lighting that probably has 20Kpps scanners being pushed a bit because they advertised it as having 30K scanners. There is no documentation of the scan driver trimmers and so I haven't played with them yet. I don't have my DT-40 scanners and DIY projector operational yet.

Most of the frames scan a bit faster than 30fps, three of the frames are probably around 24fps by guess-timation as I haven't measured them on my oscilloscope yet.

I shot this video with my Samsung S6 using the camera's Pro setting to set the ISO and shutter speed to minimize flicker in the video, but the "chasing worms" effect in this video is due to all 9 frames not having identical frame-rate speeds. ISO=50, shutter speed = 1/45 seconds

I'd sure like to see your QS scanned animated gif results for comparison.

Here is an updated video post: https://youtu.be/48erApRNpRY

I found I have a timing glitch in a recent animation loop software update when making these last two animation versions which omit offending loop commands.
And no I am convinced I need to refine my frames as some are shifted horizontally incorrectly.
12-03-2019, 18:35
lasermaster1977

Espen, here is my QS version of the Dude animation I just posted here: https://youtu.be/3N5cdE9CHAg

Read the youtube video description for more detail.

This was my very first effort using QS to produce an original line-art drawn animation, and QuickTrace to derive the image points from JPG files of each image frame.
Its a crying shame Pangolin's QS manual and video tutorials do not properly describe this specific process.

In QS the Cue Properties is set to 30Kpps.

UPDATE:
Now the first 5 frames have been edited in QS to eliminate unnecessary points and reduce point counts. So this is the QS-DudeDemo2 youtube link: https://youtu.be/bRzfgeTV_Cg
12-04-2019, 02:54
Datsurb

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Originally Posted by lasermaster1977

UPDATE:
Now the first 5 frames have been edited in QS to eliminate unnecessary points and reduce point counts. So this is the QS-DudeDemo2 youtube link: https://youtu.be/bRzfgeTV_Cg

This looks really good. You got skills I dont have, and apreciate the effort you have put into this.

I`ll send you a PM with my emailadress, so that you have a place to send the file.

Again - big thanks to you who have responded to this post. There are still a lot of good and helpfull people out there.

Espen