FB3 Power / Software Installation

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08-31-2007, 03:15
Aidan

FB3 Power / Software Installation

Just a quickie,

1. Possible to power it from USB so an external power source isn’t required?

2. The software itself, can it be installed on multiple PCs?

IE I want to mess about with it at home on my desktop but would also want to use it on the road with my laptop.

3. USB cable length max?
Trying to decide wither to put it IN the projector and just have a USB lead to the projector or have it separately and take an ILDA cable to the projector. (USB to projector would be easier as the ILDA ones are quite heavy / bulky if you have a longish one.)

Thanks,
08-31-2007, 03:31
Lasermad

1." Possible to power it from USB so an external power source isn’t required? ".... as i undestand it no , it needs an extra peice of circuitry on th board i think to power itself from USB.

2 . Yip you can install software on multiple PCS , as long as you copy licence into each .... however the softwares wont work without the DAC physically attached and reporting its serial number back to softare ....(with the exception i think of LIVEQ , which doesnt seem to need the DAC attached to start up)

3. "they say" typically 5 metres max before signal degradation for USB although I have never experimented . I have been thru the exact same thoughts as you as regards USB/ILDA and even cat 5 .
I lumped with ILDA to save any longer term hassles with multiple projectors and it also depends wht your going to do with your projector , ILDA cable is sheilded to protect the kit from stray signals from other equpment , so if its being used in any kind of public enviroment you gotta go ILDA cable but for yourself and your mates maybe USB and keeping it in the laser housing is just so much more less hassle!
08-31-2007, 04:27
Aidan

Ace, thanks for that.

Other than UKLEM I think I’ll just be messing about at home.

I’m also thinking it may be a bit of a pain in the arse having to have the projector sat with you when ever you want to mess on the software, so I like your idea with the CAT5.

So I think I’ll have the FB3 in its own box so I can play around without having the projector connected.

I don’t want to have to strap like 4 lengths of CAT5 to get 25pins, So how many pins will I need? (Assuming you have scanners + RBG blanking on there)

Thanks,
08-31-2007, 04:52
dave

2 pairs for scanners
3 pairs for rgb
1 pair for shutter and ground

So 1+1/2 network cables
08-31-2007, 05:39
sbk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aidan

3. USB cable length max?
Trying to decide wither to put it IN the projector and just have a USB lead to the projector or have it separately and take an ILDA cable to the projector. (USB to projector would be easier as the ILDA ones are quite heavy / bulky if you have a longish one.)

Thanks,

I have my board in the projector, so I connect it directly by USB. Max length I tested was 7 meters and was successful.
If I need more length, I use my "USB extender", which convert the signal into a CAT5 ethernet cable and re-convert to USB at the other end, up to 45 meters. That works great, easier to install and much cheaper than 25pins cable ;)

You can find an usb extender on eBay for cheap. They are auto-powered and need no software installation...

http://www.minicom.com/images/1_usb.jpg
08-31-2007, 06:01
Aidan

Dave : Thanks

SBK : I didn’t know about these, VERY interesting / useful to know. Thanks.

Although i would still have the problem of having to have the projector with me all the time when i want to use the software, so going to stick with the FB3 external + CAT5 link to the projector (25pin connectors).

Thanks,
08-31-2007, 22:17
Stuka

Aidan -

I've got my FB3 with me with nothing more than a laptop at my disposal
(I'm deployed overseas). I had it sent to me specifically so I could work with the software, as you want to do!

You can actually power it from your computer, using a second USB connection to supply the 5VDC power to the board - I've seen several small external USB hard drive enclosures that use that method. So far, works like a charm for me!

The LiveQ software (replaces Samba) that comes with the FB3 will work in "demo mode" without the FB3 attached. It allows you to preview and import graphics files, but not much else.

All the other applications - LAStudio suite, LivePro USB, and TraceIT - all require the FB3 to be attached in order to function (they won't even launch if the FB3 isn't detected).

I'm also planning on enclosing my FB3 in a separate enclosure, for similar reasons. Also, I plan on using the FB3 enclosure as the input for DMX, and adding a safety switch for the beam shutter. All the connections will then feed through a single DB-25 connector and cable to the projector, which will also maintain the capability of attaching other ILDA-compliant controllers down the road.

Randy
09-02-2007, 19:13
Pangolin

Hi all,

It actually IS possible to power the FB3 from the USB port, if you install a special jumper. But generally we don't recommend it because:
a) If you don't connect the FB3 to your computer (i.e. if you run it "stand alone") it obviously won't work...
b) If you have power from your computer AND from an external power supply simultaneously, there is likely to be a conflict at some point in time...

But if neither A nor B apply to you, then let me know and I will tell you the trick for running the FB3 in what we call a "Bus Powered" manor.

Best regards,

William Benner
09-02-2007, 23:31
Aidan

Thanks Bill,

I think it’s something I would want to do, just one less thing to plug in!

Is it possible to reverse the "mod", for ease of use USB powered would be ace at the moment but is it easy to go back and use external power if later on I would like to start using it in "stand alone"?

If it’s a pretty simple process I think it’s something I’ll go for!

Thanks,
09-03-2007, 06:25
JeroenVDV

I'm also interested in the USB-power option!

Just for your information (and with "your" I mean every reade:D r); The FB3 is not delivered with LivePro for free anymore (that only occured with one batch of the kit, and was a mistake).

I'm ordering a license for LivePro (USB) now, 'cause I really like that piece of software!
09-03-2007, 11:29
Aidan

Oh that really is a great shame, that was a big selling point!

How much more is Live Pro on top of the La Freak package?

Also what’s the difference between Quick and Pro?

Thanks,
09-03-2007, 12:17
andy_con

hahaha i got it free :)
09-03-2007, 12:30
p1t8ull

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeroenVDV

The FB3 is not delivered with LivePro for free anymore

That's not good. Does this apply to the eval kit, the hobby package or both? Does anyone know?

Perhaps Bill can clarify the situation?
09-03-2007, 18:02
Lasermad

Hi Simon
theres seems to an ongoing issue causing confusion over the hobby kit as its recommended you order is the pangolin website but theirs no such product on the website ... ( note to bill ! )

It was mentioned at the UKLEM that it was likely in the near future due to current customer issues that it was likely LIVEPRO would be discontinued ..... early bird catches the worm simon , remmeber that next time you decide to show for a half shift at the meets ;-)

PLEASE NOTE though the plethora of software you STILL get AND A DAC !! for $500 phew !!

Live Q ..............from the CD
Live proUSB.......................from CD** ( maybe not uk/EU anymore )
LA Studio aka LA freak -Draw3D
LA Studio aka LA freak -Showrider
LA Studio aka LA freak -abstract
TRACE IT - on request

its worth it just for the DAC .... BUY BUY BUY !

PAUL
09-04-2007, 02:21
JeroenVDV

Quote:

Originally Posted by p1t8ull

That's not good. Does this apply to the eval kit, the hobby package or both? Does anyone know?

Well, I ordered the evaluation kit (and the CD and documentation say "Evaluation kit"). So, I think it applies to the eval kit:D

LivePro costs about 600 dollars I think?
09-04-2007, 04:16
p1t8ull

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasermad

Hi Simon
theres seems to an ongoing issue causing confusion over the hobby kit as its recommended you order is the pangolin website but theirs no such product on the website ... ( note to bill ! )

It was mentioned at the UKLEM that it was likely in the near future due to current customer issues that it was likely LIVEPRO would be discontinued ..... early bird catches the worm simon , remmeber that next time you decide to show for a half shift at the meets ;-)

PLEASE NOTE though the plethora of software you STILL get AND A DAC !! for $500 phew !!

Live Q ..............from the CD
Live proUSB.......................from CD** ( maybe not uk/EU anymore )
LA Studio aka LA freak -Draw3D
LA Studio aka LA freak -Showrider
LA Studio aka LA freak -abstract
TRACE IT - on request

its worth it just for the DAC .... BUY BUY BUY !

PAUL

Thanks for the info Paul.

There's no doubt that the hobby kit is a superb bundle, but the non-commercial use restriction would cause me problems, so it's the eval kit I'm personally more concerned about. But as JeroenVDV has confirmed, the eval kit now seems LivePro-less :(

I'll be there all day next at the next meet, just to stop you nagging :D

Cheers
09-04-2007, 04:23
JeroenVDV

Well, just a question about the LA STUDIO-software; There are several shows for free with the software. However, what are the song artists and names for the corresponding audio tracks? Anybody has a list?

The show-titles are:

Can't stop this
Enigma Show
In the dawn
Invisible
Magic
Other Worlds
Show must
Storm
What do you want (that's Pink Floyd of course)