Prices on Software and Hardware...

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10-14-2007, 23:55
allthatwhichis

Prices on Software and Hardware...

I wanted to open a thread that compares the pricing of the various hardwre/software options out there. Going over it in my head, I wondered why Pangolin is so expensive, but is it really? I am looking up prices to make a comparison list and post here. I'm not really going for a detailed comparison, just $$$ for hardware and $$$ for software. We can split hairs later or in your posts... Please post what you have with the costs you paid or were told to tell other what you paid... ;)

The prices I post will be from a quick web search. I will edit with another's price if it is lower and can be had by others. (why is it so hard to find prices online?)

I guess we will put Pangolin's intro set up first as it is what I have...

Pangolin QM2000 Intro with LD2000 - $1500 for Hardware and software. Let's say 66/33 split, $1000 for the card, $500 for the software.

Riya Pro PCI card using LDS - $850(600 euro) for the card, $850(599 euro) for LDS Basic, $1700 for both.
Riya also has a few other controllers I wanted to add:
RIYA 3_in_1 – $500(350 Euro)
RIYA USB/Ethernet – $360(250 Euro)
RIYA MultiBus Pro/Basic/Micro – $360/285/215(250/200/150 Euro)
All of these will run Riya, LDS, and Phoenix software. (need to find a price on Riya software :))

Mamba Black + Medialas USB to Serial (I assume this is a DAC, check link) $820(577 euros) for Hardware and Software. (pretty good as I found it for 598 eur/SW and 299eur/HW somewhere else)

Easylase OEM USB board (can be used with Mamba/LDS and more) $354(249 euro) Hardware only.

Phoenix basic and USB interface box - $1565(1100 euro) Hardware and Software, $850(599 euro) Software, $709(499 euro) Hardware

LA Freak (Pangolin hobbiest set up) - hmmm, I can't seem to finda "true" price anywhere. I can't find LA Freak or Studio on the Pangolin site... I'm sure someone will enlighten me so I can update this. Rumor has it LA Freak is $500 to 600 for Hardware and Software... :wink:

Popelscan - Free Software, DACs usually cost $100 assembled or you can make one or use Norm's Laser show controller of eBay for a good deal <$50...

I seem to be running out of set ups...

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Originally Posted by VJ AIWAZ

Merlin, complete system with software and PCI or ISA dac card! - $595

I'm gonna add the laptop set up, there is also two set ups with computers that are lower that this...

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Originally Posted by merlin.shtml

Merlin, complete system with software and custom laptop computer! - $1,495

:eek: Thanks man! I don't see a separate hardware software option, like Pangolin I guess. I must say a nice price. Can't let the boss see that one... >:)

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Originally Posted by Buffo

There is also the Alphalite XC Pro system (hardware and software) for $399.

Moncha and USB DAC - $570(399 euro) for hardware and software. Damn... another one I can't let the boss see...

Fiesta 2 and USB DAC - $1260(880 euro) for hardware and software. I like the way the advertise the Fiesta price but I can't seem to find the Moncha price. ;)

... to be continued...
10-15-2007, 04:16
VJ AIWAZ

Merlin, complete system with software and PCI or ISA dac card! - $595 ($29 shipping)

http://www.taiserver.com/merlin.shtml
10-15-2007, 10:56
buffo

There is also the Alphalite XC Pro system (hardware and software) for $399.

Then you've got Moncha, which costs around $600 with the Fiesta controller.

And of course, there are several free solutions that are based around open source software and a modified sound card... Laserboy is one, and the UCLinux Lasers project is another. Search the forums and you'll probably find a few more.

Eh - just remembered Norms Laser Show (NLS)... I think the controller kit costs $200 now, and the software is free.

I'm sure there are a few more out there that we're missing though.

Adam
10-15-2007, 11:25
carmangary

A couple of corrections:
1) I don't think Laserboy is free. I was Beta testing the software with Jame Lehman (the developer) last winter and he was planning on selling it... but it doesn't seem like anything ever happened. Regardless, I don't think that the current version of LaserBoy is available for download but it might be obtained for free if you send him an email.

2) Moncha works with the Moncha DAC. The Fiesta DAC is for the Fiesta software. They are not the same and don't work with each other.

3) Norm's controller only costs about $20 in kit form, not $200.

And I would like to add my own, called Spaghetti. It works with the Moncha DAC and it is currently in the Alpha phase but is free to anyone who requests it and doesn't mind being a tester. :) I can make it work with other DACs (originally it worked with the PopelScan dac) as long as the API is available.
10-15-2007, 16:53
buffo

Whoops! Good catch there Gary... I was looking at this site when I posted, and evidently I got the Fiesta product confused with Moncha. Thanks for clearing that up. (Upon further inspection, it appears that Fiesta is considerably more expensive too - around $1250 for the package.)

As far as the Laserboy project, yeah, I don't think James ever did anything with it. I know he was planning to sell it at some point, but then development just stopped. He's actually registered here on PhotonLexicon, but he hasn't posted in quite a while. I didn't realize that he had pulled the files from the website though. (You used to be able to d/l it and run it...) Then again, it's been *months* since I've been to his site.

As far as Norm's Laser Show, you are correct. He sells the GALVO KITS for $200, not the NLS controller. My bad!

I think he sells the controllers on E-bay from time to time, though I haven't watched any of his auctions to see how high they go...

Adam
10-15-2007, 19:49
allthatwhichis

Hey, where do you see the Moncha pricing? I can't find it for either it or fiesta. :confused: I like to see the prices for myself before I go quoting it... Everyone knows I'm a dumbass, we don't need proof. :rolleyes:
10-16-2007, 03:46
buffo

The website lists a price of 880 Euros for the Fiesta product. That works out to around $1250. The site didn't list a price for Moncha, but Carmangary said in an earlier post that it costs around $600.

Adam
10-16-2007, 04:58
carmangary

I think Moncha is "advertised" at $499 Euros.
10-16-2007, 05:39
buffo

Oh, ok... 499 Euros is closer to $710.

Adam
10-16-2007, 05:43
carmangary

Is that right? Maybe it is 399 euros then. I can't remember... but anyway, what I meant by "advertised" price is that it seems to be kind of like the sticker price on a car... if you know what I mean.
10-16-2007, 15:03
buffo

Yeah... You can dicker with them and get it for less? Cool...

Adam
10-18-2007, 00:36
allthatwhichis

When you guys say Fiesta and Moncha, is that just software or does the DAC come with that price?
10-18-2007, 04:01
carmangary

Software and DAC.
11-08-2007, 13:03
Dj_Nexus

Does the Pangolin LA Freak setup support the "laser wave" effect? Ohh how I love to see a difracted or solid ocean like waves of lasers:D

I can't seem to find a link where to buy it...?
11-08-2007, 13:07
Lampy

It'll support anything you can draw into the frame editor and more! I think the best way to buy it is to use the contact form on the Pangolin website, or sent a PM to Pangolin (Bill Benner) here on PL.
11-08-2007, 13:27
buffo

The "laser wave" effect is actually a very basic effect. Just about any controller can create it, including the Flashback 3.

There are many different effects that you can produce with the Flashback 3, including fans, beams, liquid sky, etc. You can also create abstract patterns and 3D animations. (Note that the FB3 supports full 3D objects as well as 3D rotation and transformations, but some other hardware/software packages don't.)

If you want to purchase the hobbyist LA FREAK package from Pangolin (which includes the FB3 controller and the LA Studio software suite for $500 total), the quickest way is to pick up the phone and talk to Bill Benner. (He's usually available in the afternoon/evening timeframe.)

Adam
11-08-2007, 18:11
Dj_Nexus

Sounds good to me. $500 doesn't even sound that bad of a deal for quality software and hardware. It's not like I'm putting on a show at the superdome :)

30k scanners, good for pretty much any animation? Anyone have a screenshot of the program? I will PM/call him :) Thank you all very much for the help
11-10-2007, 06:29
buffo

30K is pretty much the standard. In fact, though I have a set of scanners that are rated for 40K (actually, 2 sets of those scanners), I still run them at 30Kpps speed. Why? Because I get a wider scan angle at 30K, and you can't notice any other difference in the image anyway, so there's no point in running them faster.

As for screenshots of the LA Studio software, the Pangolin website has several. Here's the abstract generator, the 3D object editor, the show designer timeline, and the basic show player. They don't have a picture of the Live Quick live player or the Samba live player that I could find, but those are included in the software suite as well.

Adam