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10-18-2008, 23:05
buffo

New Pangolin shows on the FTP server

Hey guys...

Just an update: Pangolin secured the rights to three of the winning laser shows for this year's Pangolin Laser Show contest. Those three shows are now available on the PL FTP servers. (Both the one that cruch runs *and* the one that Spec runs. Take your pick.)

The file you want is called "ShowsForDistr.zip" It's a *huge* file - 80 megs! But the shows are worth it, trust me! On Cruch's server, it's in the completed shows folder, under "Sows for Pangolin".

There are two graphics shows. One is set to "Rhythm is a Dancer", by Snap. The other is set to "We Are the Champions", by Queen. The third show is a beamshow called "Standing in Motion."

All of these shows will work with any LD-2000 system. (Intro, Basic, or Pro) So go grab them now, and post back here with your comments. (Personally, I *love* the "Rhythm is a Dancer" show! It's my new favorite!)

Note: Bill wanted to host these shows on the new Pangolin laser show swap page that he's been talking about, but he hasn't finished all the work on the website yet. (Lots of other things going on!) So he sent these shows out to a few people, with the understanding that it was OK to post them so other Pangolin users could D/L them. I uploaded them to both FTP servers before posting here, so they're available right now.

Adam
10-18-2008, 23:52
LesioQ

No QM32 compatibility again ? ...
:o
Piotr.K
10-19-2008, 00:21
Jem

These new shows are absolutely awsome!

The 'Standing In Motion' beamshow is just soooooooo beautiful, such gorgeous colour blends and precise timings - FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!! :D For anyone wondering just how many lovely colours you can get out of your laser projector, you should watch this show ;)

The 'Rythm Is a Dancer' graphic show is quite amazing. I'm not quite as turned on by graphics, but this show has some brilliant effects. The illuminated dancefloor, the twinkly stars, the eyes on 'the Face', the actual dancers... Truly inspiring :D

The 'We Are The Champions' show is technically superb, but I have to say I like this least of all the shows. Still a fabulous show nevertheless :)

Just another three good reasons to upgrade to a QM2000 system :D

Thanks Bill for obtaining (and paying ;)) for these shows for us, and thanks Adam for putting them on the server ahead of schedule so we can enjoy them ;)

Jem
10-19-2008, 02:06
decix

Did not get my mouth shut again while watching! :D :D :D
Thanks! They are GREAT! All 3 of them!
10-19-2008, 02:22
Pangolin

I have a whole lot more to post very soon. I think something like 25 or more in all. I lost count...

Rupert has given me permission to upload his shows, so this will be done soon. But in the mean time I am not just uploading any of these shows directly -- I have had Rob DiAddezio go through them and make adjustments for safety and scan-ability. Basically, for all of the shows we distribute (whether free or otherwise), I like to make sure they don't have any blatant safety problems (non-moving beam in the audience) and that they can scan well at 30K and full size with original Cambridge 6800 scanners. Show performance should be similar with Chinese scanners...

Bill
10-19-2008, 05:52
cruch

That is awsome news! :D :D
10-19-2008, 07:25
allthatwhichis

Thanks Bill, Adam! Beam show is awesome, and my 20Ks are not doing graphics well... :rolleyes: but I bet the graphics are cool too. I am sure these fountains look much better on better scanners. :o
10-20-2008, 12:53
soforene

Fantastic shows !!

We are the Champions must have been inspired by the Bellagio Fountains.
As soon as it started (well, after about 30 secs) I realised what it was meant to portray and immediately thought "Bellagio !".

Rhythm is a Dancer is a brilliant show. There's little duplication in the dancers themselves and some of the effects (the plasma ball inside a box, the reflective dancefloor etc) truly make you wonder how they did it.
Some nice blanking effects too.
Definately a new classic and one to trot out to display the capabilities of your laser for people who ask "What can a laser do then?"

"Rhythm" for Graphics, "Moby" for Beams.

Thanks to Bill and all the Pangolin team for supplying us with yet more reasons for non Pango owners to go just that slightest shade of green.
;)
10-20-2008, 15:58
buffo

Soforene;

Yeah, when I saw the "We Are The Champions" show for the first time on the ILDA cruise, I *immediately* thought of the fountains at the Bellagio - even though I've never actually seen them in person.

On a technical merit standpoint, that show wins high marks in my book. (Gotta love that 3D Studio Max plug-in!) But from an enjoyment perspective, I thought it could have had more color and some other effects besides just the fountains.

Rhythm is a Dancer, on the other hand, is just all kinds of awesome! I'd love to meet the guy that wrote that show some day. (I did get to meet Chris Stuart on the ILDA cruise... He's the guy that wrote the "40 Hour Week" graphics show that comes with Pangolin. Very cool guy...)

I also liked the "Standing in Motion" beam show. The musical score is very theatrical - like a blockbuster movie score. Great use of color in that show.

But yeah, if you only had two shows to display to give someone an idea as to what you could do with your projector, I agree that my choices would be "Rhythm is a Dancer" and "Gradient-Moby". (Though "Elevation" would still be in the top 5 for me!)

Adam
10-20-2008, 16:11
Stuka

I watched them again last night, wide eyed & wide-mouthed! :eek: :cool:

Thanks again for releasing them to us, Bill - and for posting them, Adam!! :D
10-21-2008, 00:51
Pangolin

There are more coming.

I just sent the beam show by Adam Bourassa back to him to check it out. I made some minor modifications in terms of timing and also scan-ability. Likewise I did the same thing for some of the shows from Adam Burns (Buffo) as well. I suppose he will be posting them soon.

And, as a bonus, I will make arrangements to get the Lightspeed graphics show "We are all made of stars" up there too.

What I have left to work on is the Rupert shows. Basically I do safety checks on these, make sure they have the correct zone assignments, make sure they scan well at full size and at 30K and then will send them up. I have some of the shows completed, but not all of them...

In all I think that makes an additional 20 free shows available.

Bill
10-21-2008, 08:07
buffo

Thanks for taking the extra time to go through the shows and clean them up Bill! I know there were plenty of mistakes in mine. (Like, all the beams in the beamshow were incorrectly assigned to Zone 1, which is for graphics! D'oh!)

I'm kind of tied up at work for the next couple days, but I should have some time later this week to have a peek at the files.

Adam
10-21-2008, 08:28
Anthony

damnnnn now i really need a one off Anthony special price for a LD2k system....grrrrrrr wuahahahaha
10-21-2008, 09:41
drlava

Buffo, do you have a long-term scaleable plan for paying for the bandwidth that this takes? Consider that the cost of distribution of the shows that only work on certain commercial software could be subsidized by the software maker, as you are providing a service to them also.
While it might not be very much cost now, just trying to think ahead.. :)
10-21-2008, 09:49
Anthony

Quote:

Originally Posted by drlava

Buffo, do you have a long-term scaleable plan for paying for the bandwidth that this takes? Consider that the cost of distribution of the shows that only work on certain commercial software could be subsidized by the software maker, as you are providing a service to them also.
While it might not be very much cost now, just trying to think ahead.. :)

Now thats a fair thing to say....
I don't think it's publicly announced for ALL pango users to come and download the shows here.... hopefully more of a PL user thing.

The crutch FTP server is run by crutch, i don't know if he is running it from a homebased server on his own connection.
who knows...

That server is going to "overload" if all LD2k system users are going to download 20 shows. in the next few days.

On the pango forum there are posts suggesting a pango runned pango based share server just like the PL ILDAswap server.
Maybe it is comming?
10-21-2008, 10:22
Stuka

From reading earlier posts about this on the Pangolin forums, I believe they do ultimately have a plan to set up a show hosting page from their site. Perhaps this is just a temporary way to go ahead and spur interest with shows that are currently available, especially since several of the shows are originals contributed by PL members! :D

The costs associated with running this forum have been discussed before, and many of us have contributed by clicking the green Donate link at the top of the web page. I think there's probably enough interest in sharing information, shows, etc. that even if this forum needed to turn into a "paid members only" forum because of operating costs, you would still find many - perhaps most - of us willingly participating!!
10-21-2008, 11:30
buffo

Quote:

Originally Posted by drlava

Buffo, do you have a long-term scaleable plan for paying for the bandwidth that this takes?

Hi Doc;

Um... Maybe I should clarify something here. I'm *not* affiliated with Pangolin *or* PhotonLexicon in any capacity. So no, I do not have a long-term scalable plan, and even if I did, it would not be mine to implement. (Bill, on the other hand, does have a plan... See below.)

Having said that, both Spec and Cruch have stated (publically and to me in private messages as well) that they have more than enough bandwidth to support the FTP servers. Of course, if the volume of traffic continues to increase, at some point there *could* be a problem, but I have to trust both Cruch and Spec when they say that they are nowhere near that point yet.

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Consider that the cost of distribution of the shows that only work on certain commercial software could be subsidized by the software maker, as you are providing a service to them also.

Bill is working on a Pangolin "Laser Show Swap" page that will be hosted on Pangolin's server. He has mentioned it several times at various Laser Enthusiast's Meetings, and recently he has posted publically about it here on PL. However, the page is not finished yet, and he wanted to get these shows out to the community at large as soon as possible - thus the FTP server was the logical choice.

When Cruch set up his FTP server, he specifically designated a directory for Pangolin shows. There are no restrictions on who can upload to that directory, and to the best of my knowledge, Cruch didn't ask Pangolin for a donation just because he set the directory up.

He also created a directory for LDS shows, and one for Mamba Black shows. I see that there are quite a few shows for Mamaba in there, and Whiteg just added some more. I don't recall anyone asking Medialas to contribute to the FTP server fund either. (In fact, such a fund doesn't even exist for Cruch's server.)

I think you're missing the point behind these FTP servers. They are a place for people to share free material. To me, it doesn't matter if the show was created by a PL member and shared with the community, or purchased from a commercial laser show company by Pangolin and then released for free.

After all, it doesn't matter who created the show - it's only ever going to run on the hardware it was created on. And there's nothing stopping *all* Pangolin users from logging in to the FTP server to grab whatever free shows the PL members have already uploaded (including the 5 I've created.)

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Originally Posted by Anthony

I don't think it's publicly announced for ALL pango users to come and download the shows here.... hopefully more of a PL user thing.

It has not been announced on the ILDA list yet. There are certainly some Pangolin users here on PL, and those lucky users will get access to the shows early. As for the rest of the Pangolin users, they will probably have to wait until the Pangolin show swap page is operational.

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On the pango forum there are posts suggesting a pango runned pango based share server just like the PL ILDAswap server.
Maybe it is comming?

Bill has posted about this here on PL as well. It's something he's working on, but it's not done yet. Lots of work involved... (Remember, Bill checks each and every show for flaws that could harm the scanners, and also checks for logical consistency re: zone assignments and such, before any show is made available to the public.)

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Originally Posted by Stuka

Perhaps this is just a temporary way to go ahead and spur interest with shows that are currently available, especially since several of the shows are originals contributed by PL members! :D

Well, a few of the shows are ones that I've created, yes. However, I believe that most people are more interested in grabbing the 3 winning shows from this year's Pangolin Laser Show contest. But yeah, I think Bill was basically doing the folks on PL a favor by giving us early access to the shows.

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The costs associated with running this forum have been discussed before, and many of us have contributed by clicking the green Donate link at the top of the web page.

While I fully support the donate link (it's high time we started helping to foot the bill for everything Spec does for us), I would like to point out that Cruch's FTP server does not benefit from these donations. Perhaps Cruch would like to comment on what it costs him to maintain the FTP server he runs...

Adam
10-21-2008, 14:06
cruch

Well..I dont know what to say.
I had a server that was not in use...so why not use the server for the PL users.

The data that is transfered between the user and ftp, I need to pay to my ISP. I got 2000gb free traffic pr month, all over 2000gb I need to pay pr mb.
I think it is 0.07 usd pr mb. And there are alot of traffic on the FTP server :D Thats AWSOME!! :)

So happy sharing :D:D
10-22-2008, 08:12
soforene

What price would you guys put on these shows that Pangolin has kindly provided for free?
100 bucks?
200 bucks?

I was browsing through some of my bookmarked sites looking for shows and there's a site in Europe that is selling the Standing in Motion show on its own for 460 Euros.
That's approx. $590 at today's exhange rate. :eek:

Once more, "Good on yer Billy mate!" ;)
10-22-2008, 08:14
Anthony

Quote:

Originally Posted by soforene

What price would you guys put on these shows that Pangolin has kindly provided for free?
100 bucks?
200 bucks?

I was browsing through some of my bookmarked sites looking for shows and there's a site in Europe that is selling the Standing in Motion show on its own for 460 Euros.
That's approx. $590 at today's exhange rate. :eek:

Once more, "Good on yer Billy mate!" ;)

around 500 euro's is a normal price for a show.
10-22-2008, 08:16
soforene

Depends where you shop mate. ;)
10-22-2008, 08:21
Anthony

Quote:

Originally Posted by soforene

Depends where you shop mate. ;)

Thats completely true :-)
Prices differ...

but generally 500 for a good show isn't bad.
(Thats for industry pro's, not for us home hobbyists)
10-23-2008, 10:16
werner1619

will the shows run on FB3?
and are there plans to make them work on FB3?
trying my luck...:)
10-23-2008, 10:30
Anthony

Quote:

Originally Posted by werner1619

will the shows run on FB3?
and are there plans to make them work on FB3?
trying my luck...:)

I know from bill that the show's wil not work on the FB3 because the software isn't capable of playing the LD2k files.

A solution is being developed by pango and should be available "early" next year. (for now us FB3 users will have to wait)

No futher info available...
10-23-2008, 10:34
Stuka

Quote:

Originally Posted by werner1619

will the shows run on FB3?
and are there plans to make them work on FB3?
trying my luck...:)

Pretty sure they're LD2000 / QM2000 (Showtime) only - they were created with that suite, then checked and (if needed) optimized by the folks at Pangolin to make sure they correctly utilize timing, palettes, zones, etc. For now, I would be very surpised to see them rewritten for the FB3 or any other hardware / software platform...

.....but a possible change lurks BEYOND the horizon...! :)
10-23-2008, 10:46
carmangary

I'm sure they could make them work on any hardware they wanted... but then you wouldn't have to buy the expensive stuff.
10-23-2008, 10:52
mixedgas

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmangary

I'm sure they could make them work on any hardware they wanted... but then you wouldn't have to buy the expensive stuff.

Might wanta rethink that one,,,
FB's little chip doesnt quite have the processing power a coldfire has.

Steve
10-23-2008, 11:27
Stuka

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmangary

I'm sure they could make them work on any hardware they wanted... but then you wouldn't have to buy the expensive stuff.

But then again -

Those shows were created by users (NOT Pangolin!!) who wanted to utilize the very features the "expensive stuff" offered them, and are being shared, freely, for other users of that same "expensive stuff" that supports those features!

You can't blame Pangolin - or users who have willingly spent their hard-earned money to buy Pangolin products - if the users of the freeware and other "non-expensive stuff" aren't producing, and sharing, similar quality shows!!
10-23-2008, 15:18
buffo

Another free Pangolin show!

Hey folks!

There is *another* new show on the FTP server. It's a graphics show set to the Moby song "We are all Made of Stars". (And no, I didn't make it!)

It was produced by LightSpeed Design Group. Bill purchased the rights to this show, and it's now available for all Pangolin LD-2000 users.

The file you're looking for is "Lightspeed_Made_of_Stars.zip". I just finished uploading it to Cruch's server, and it's uploading to Spec's server right now.

Adam
10-23-2008, 16:08
Stuka

Awesome!!

Thanks again for for providing these to us, Bill!

AND for posting, Adam!!

:) :cool: :D

Randy

P.S. -

I just viewed the show for the first time....Wow!!
I have to say, the quality of the shows being released to us for free, and also those being created by fellow PL members, is pretty incredible!!

HOWEVER -
It is having an interesting impact on my listening habits.....
I'm a die-hard, self-proclaimed, stuck-in-the-early-80's, classic rocker, yet thanks to many of the LD2000 shows, I find myself listening to a LOT of dance / trance / techno music.
Damn, how did THAT happen? :)
10-23-2008, 22:14
soforene

You're never too old Randy.
I'm approaching my half century and my preferred music is still Dance/Uplifiting Trance.
Just don't dance to it in public.
There's nothing more ridiculous than an old bloke trying to swing his pants in a disco. :D
10-23-2008, 23:58
Pangolin

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmangary

I'm sure they could make them work on any hardware they wanted... but then you wouldn't have to buy the expensive stuff.

Don't ya just love conspiracy theories?

Can anyone who really knows Pangolin say that our attitude is one of trying to force people to do this or force people to do that, just so we can make more money? (It's only non-Pangolin users and those who don't know us that makes this kinda stuff up...)

I think if making money was our sole intention, I wouldn't be spending my time helping hobbyists make their hardware and software better for free...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuka

I'm a die-hard, self-proclaimed, stuck-in-the-early-80's, classic rocker, yet thanks to many of the LD2000 shows, I find myself listening to a LOT of dance / trance / techno music.
Damn, how did THAT happen? :)

Yes, a bit funny. I guess this kind of dance/trance music just lends itself pretty well to laser visuals. However, Adam Bourassa did create a show to "Crazy Train" recently, and that should be right up your alley!

Bill
10-24-2008, 00:12
Jem

Quote:

Originally Posted by soforene

There's nothing more ridiculous than an old bloke trying to swing his pants in a disco. :D

Now ya tell me :D

I love the old prog rock stuff from my era in the early seventies. BUT, nowadays I just Lovvvvvve trance and techno stuff. My two teenage daughters aren't impressed :)

I guess having been a DJ throughout the mid seventies/early eighties taught me lo like allsorts of music. My musical interests are many and varied.

Jem
10-24-2008, 01:30
White-Light

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuka

HOWEVER -
It is having an interesting impact on my listening habits.....
I'm a die-hard, self-proclaimed, stuck-in-the-early-80's, classic rocker, yet thanks to many of the LD2000 shows, I find myself listening to a LOT of dance / trance / techno music.
Damn, how did THAT happen? :)

If I ever get a system (unlikely) I'll make you a show - Ronald Van Gelderan is your answer. He's kind of rock trance cross mix. (You are talking to a BIG trance fan here!)

Examples here:

"Dirty Rocker" http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JR3m3Vqp2Mk

"Embrace" http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjf3e8...eature=related
10-24-2008, 03:51
carmangary

Conspiracy theory? Well, if what I say is not true then you guys suck at design. I mean, really. You can't figure out a way to export and import shows to your own systems? I'm quite embarassed for you. But then again, you hire intern programmers that use Delphi.
10-24-2008, 04:28
Stuka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pangolin

.....Yes, a bit funny. I guess this kind of dance/trance music just lends itself pretty well to laser visuals. However, Adam Bourassa did create a show to "Crazy Train" recently, and that should be right up your alley!

Bill

Yep, Adam's "Crazy Train" is pretty good!

But so are all the shows done by Buffo, and most of the shows available from the LD disk set.
I guess I'm not quite as set in my ways as I thought!!

I've started building a laser show "to do" list that SHOULD keep me from being pulled TOO far into dance / trance / techno - after all, I don't think my preferred after-hours wardrobe of cargo shorts and Hawaiian shirts would fit the scene very well! :p If all goes as planned, I foresee some shows based around J. Geils / U2 / Who / TSO coming out of Knoxville, TN in the foreseeable future! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmangary

Conspiracy theory? Well, if what I say is not true then you guys suck at design. I mean, really. You can't figure out a way to export and import shows to your own systems? I'm quite embarassed for you. But then again, you hire intern programmers that use Delphi.

Wow, you sound more and more like that dude that does Laserboy. You guys been swapping code again? :D
10-24-2008, 04:37
carmangary

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuka

Wow, you sound more and more like that dude that does Laserboy. You guys been swapping code again? :D

Yea. We swap code and tell stories around the campfire. What of it?
10-24-2008, 05:02
Anthony

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmangary

You can't figure out a way to export and import shows to your own systems? I'm quite embarassed for you. But then again, you hire intern programmers that use Delphi.

Gary,

The Fb3 is pango's own.. The LA studio software isn't pango's own.
It isn't really developed by pango..so not compatible for the LD2K files.

In the future i could be that all pango hardware (incl FB3) will work on the same platform so shows will be share-able...
10-24-2008, 07:27
highvolt

It doesnt matter if LAStudio was theirs or not. If you take over the company, you also take over the source code. How else do you explain that there are still updates made for LAStudio ???

The only sad thing, is that the frames from LiveQ cannot be imported in LAStudio.. although they have the same file extension. (Bill already gave me an answer for this)

Ahh well, I'm in the software/hardware business too, and with limited human resources, you have to make choices and get on the next train or die.
Beyond is Pangolins next train I guess.. I just hope us hobbiests with an FB3 got free tickets :)
10-24-2008, 07:28
Anthony

Quote:

I actually get it. I'm not just some hacker, I work for a hardware/software company that sells software licenses for $50K a seat. We do stuff like turn things off and then charge an extra $10K to turn it back on. That's the way it goes in low volume businesses. Our company has goodwill ambassadors, too. We're involved in standards committees, go to trade shows, sponsor happy hours, write white papers, etc, etc. We do more stuff for free than we get paid for... just in hopes that it will turn into a sale. So, call me a conspiracy theorist all you want.

Gary,

These things happen.
Pango also does these things and are there for everyone to see.
PRO BASIC and ENTRY/INTRO packages.

Your company sells a 50K userslicence.. tuned down so i can be sold for 40K.
Maybe the people who havent got 50K to spend on a licence do spend 40K.

its buisiness...it happens everywhere and sometime it sucks for us NON COMMERCIAL "AMATEUR" HOBBY USERS.
10-26-2008, 04:22
andy_con

just tested these shows on my fb3 and they play fine.

ok you dont get the music but you can plan the lsd file
10-26-2008, 04:54
buffo

More Pangolin shows...

There is another show available on the PL FTP server. It's my "Above" beam show from SELEM 2008. I never uploaded it after SELEM, so the only one's that had it were the guys that got it off the thumb drive that was passed around.

Also, I noticed that the "Made of Stars" show was never uploaded to Cruch's server (but it *was* available on the PL FTP site). So I uploaded that show to Cruch's server last night. (Check it out - it's a graphics show set to Moby's "We Are All Made of Stars" song. I think it was produced by Lightspeed, but I'm not positive.)

Adam
10-26-2008, 06:36
Stuka

Thanks, dude!!
Time for my Blue Man Group fix!! :D
10-26-2008, 15:51
ImageLight

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuka

Thanks, dude!!
Time for my Blue Man Group fix!! :D

Hey Stuka,

What does that mean?
10-26-2008, 18:11
Stuka

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImageLight

Hey Stuka,

What does that mean?

"Above" is a song from the Blue Man Group CD, "The Complex".

It will probably sound familiar - we ran it several times at SELEM with multiple projectors running the show at the same time.

Cool CD, cool song, and VERY cool beam show put together by Buffo!!:D
10-26-2008, 20:48
300EVIL

Quote:

Originally Posted by buffo

Hey folks!

There is *another* new show on the FTP server. It's a graphics show set to the Moby song "We are all Made of Stars". (And no, I didn't make it!)

It was produced by LightSpeed Design Group. Bill purchased the rights to this show, and it's now available for all Pangolin LD-2000 users.

The file you're looking for is "Lightspeed_Made_of_Stars.zip". I just finished uploading it to Cruch's server, and it's uploading to Spec's server right now.

Adam

WOW! Thanks Adam and Bill! Man, it sure is great getting all these free shows. I can't imagine anyone complaining about the price of the LD-2000 system with all this free content. Pangolin Rocks as usual! :D:D:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuka

HOWEVER -
It is having an interesting impact on my listening habits.....
I'm a die-hard, self-proclaimed, stuck-in-the-early-80's, classic rocker, yet thanks to many of the LD2000 shows, I find myself listening to a LOT of dance / trance / techno music.
Damn, how did THAT happen? :)

Same here... I'd never dream I'd be into this techno stuff but it goes with light shows so well. I'm really starting to like it. :)

PS: Bill did a little tweaking and clean up to my "Crazy Train" show (Thanks Bill!) and I uploaded the newest version on the FTP server tonight.
10-26-2008, 22:56
Pangolin

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmangary

Well, if what I say is not true then you guys suck at design. I mean, really. You can't figure out a way to export and import shows to your own systems? I'm quite embarassed for you. But then again, you hire intern programmers that use Delphi.

Gary, I am sorry but you don't even know what you are talking about.

1. We don't "hire" interns.
2. None of the interns that have ever worked with Pangolin have ever programmed in Delphi...

Nevertheless, man, you really just have a bad attitude. You don't see me coming into your Spaghetti-related forums and making posts that are just not nice (let alone, untrue). I guess you think that by taking shots at me, you somehow make your own endeavors look better. Sorry, it doesn't work that way...

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Originally Posted by highvolt

Ahh well, I'm in the software/hardware business too, and with limited human resources

And now some sanity comes into the subject. Thanks Highvolt!

Yes, that's the real reason. Even though we have 10 full time people at Pangolin, it's just never enough... Also, I would rather put our development time into the future rather than the past.

There will be an answer coming soon, and it will be a complete answer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by highvolt

Beyond is Pangolins next train I guess.. I just hope us hobbiests with an FB3 got free tickets

Actually we have changed our priorities lately. BEYOND will be delayed for a short while. That's the bad news.

Now here's the good news. We have decided to shift priorities and work on LiveQUICK 2.0. This will be a MAJOR UPGRADE to LiveQUICK. Basically, think of the best parts (and least confusing parts) of LivePRO, and add something special to it (like, really special -- like, "the next big thing" special), and then take LiveQUICK and make it even easier! That's what we have in store for LiveQUICK 2.0. The "the next big thing" is a part from BEYOND.

And now the really good news. All FB3 users will get LiveQUICK 2.0 for free!

So, basically, I hope you can appreciate this future-oriented approach. We could either stop what we are doing, and work on import abilities for LD2000 users to work with our "older" FB3 software, or we could work on the future which will be 100% compatible anyway, and also offer a whole lot more features and ease-of-use. We choose the latter.

Bill
10-26-2008, 23:12
soforene

Bill,
As I'm sure you're aware, this is mainly a Pro-Pangolin forum and the majority of users appreciate both your commitment to the hobbyist scene and your involvement on this forum.
I can think of no other industry where one of the top men in the field would deign to grace a forum with his presence.
Please don't let the few nay sayers and detractors put you off from using this forum to let us know of developments on the laser scene.

Sadly it's a symptom of the times that some folks think they will become stronger by "slagging off" others whereas in fact it just shows their petty mindedness.
Constructive criticism is one thing but uninformed and ignorant attacks merely drag the whole place down.

I for one appreciate your presence and the fine work that your company does for us "little guys" and I'm sure that many others would agree.

Nil desperandum carburundum illegitami !! ;)
10-26-2008, 23:52
Pangolin

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Originally Posted by soforene

As I'm sure you're aware, this is mainly a Pro-Pangolin forum and the majority of users appreciate both your commitment to the hobbyist scene and your involvement on this forum.

I had to read this a few times to understand what I think you meant to convey. I don't think you meant to convey that most of the people on this forum have Pangolin software, because I don't believe that is the case. However, after reading your post a few times, I guess you mean that the people on PL are, by and large, not anti-Pangolin, and that even those who don't have Pangolin appreciate my commitment and input.

Yes, I certainly hope that is the case. One thing I have said privately many times, and publicly a few times is that I too started out as a hobbyist.

Only a few people know the whole story, but I started out like many of you -- WANTING to get into lasers, but the costs were simply too high. What I was able to do was to become a volunteer at a local planetarium that had a lot of laser equipment, but most of it was broken. So I spent my time there fixing up the equipment they had, and then improving it. This was valuable, because I could see what was working in the industry and what needed improvement, and then set out to make those improvements in both the hardware and the software.

So I know what it's like to WANT to do this stuff, but not have the money to do it. I am sensitive to this, because I was there...

I offer my help to people on this forum and also on LaserFreak.net (even though it is a primarily German forum). I also offer my assistance in the various PL gatherings and LaserFreak meetings.

I am happy to hear that you find value in this Soforeene!

Quote:

Originally Posted by soforene

Sadly it's a symptom of the times that some folks think they will become stronger by "slagging off" others whereas in fact it just shows their petty mindedness.

Oh, exactly!

Also -- take this challenge: When you find people debating what I say, or trying to cut me down in any way, examine what they are doing in their lives, either publicly or privately, and you will find that they too are working on something that we already do. Pangolin, as a company (not necessarily me as an individual) has accomplished many amazing things with a laser beam. Some people are jealous of this... I wish it wasn't the case, but it's true.

Getting back to your main point, I have offered my time and assistance in private emails and public postings to the James Lehmans and Carman Garys of the world (for example, Gary got the ILDA file format spec FROM ME and also the ILDA color palette information FROM ME -- who sent it gladly, and with no hateful words). I gladly treat anyone with respect -- generally AS LONG AS they treat me with respect.

Also, I think not enough people have watched the movie Bambi lately. There are some really good messages in that movie about who you should respect, how you show respect and why.

Bill

PS: I always LOVE your various avatars!
10-27-2008, 00:39
soforene

Quote:

Originally Posted by buffo

There is another show available on the PL FTP server. It's my "Above" beam show from SELEM 2009.

Thanks for posting this show a whole 10 months before the event.

(Even the readme says 2009, ya silly sausage!) :p

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