Outdoor Show

[ElektroFreak]

maybe the shows in europe (like mixedgas said) , are more focused on the lasershow, so you have more control of ambient lighting , but around here, its usually the laser just a complement lighting , to LED walls, Video screens, Massive amounts of intelligent lighting heads/ scanners, 3000 watt strobe lights,,, etc ,,, etc......

That's a key point. From what I've seen, European shows do focus much more on the lasers than other intelligent lighting which means there's WAY fewer other types of lights for the lasers to compete with.

[Doc]

That's a key point. From what I've seen, European shows do focus much more on the lasers than other intelligent lighting which means there's WAY fewer other types of lights for the lasers to compete with.

I usually chat to the desk monkey before a show and come to some kind of arrangement like 10 minutes each for solo time. "Give me a dark stage for 10 minutes, then 10 minutes of you time?"

Has worked on most occasions, except for the dick at Wigan Pier that insists on choking the crap out of everything with the f***ing 2 Megawatt fogger.

[dzodzo]

I usually chat to the desk monkey before a show and come to some kind of arrangement like 10 minutes each for solo time. "Give me a dark stage for 10 minutes, then 10 minutes of you time?"

Has worked on most occasions, except for the dick at Wigan Pier that insists on choking the crap out of everything with the f***ing 2 Megawatt fogger.

it's good if you have the opportunity to arrange darkness with the lightning technician... it's bad if he turns on the lights and goes away for 2-3 hours nowhere to be found

[-bart-]

Hi Carlos,
Can you post some visuals that support your personal opinion ?
Your opinion is vulnerable to criticism, because a lack of reference.
These days people just don't take your word for it.

If you posted direct links to pictures or movies that show an outdoor production with 15W@532 and 20W@RGB that cleary whashes out against other lighting, this discussion probably would have been a lot more constructive.

'Competition' might be rooted deep in American society (nofi) but thinking in terms of 'competition with intelligent light' isn't really the the way to success in choreographing a show.

[QUAZAR]

If I wasnt running the lights myself, I would usally try and arrange "20 minute each" and we would alternate between the lights and lasers. The lights wouldnt be off when the lasers were running, but would be kept to darker colours such as purples reds and blues, which would show the (green) lasers to their best.

[ElektroFreak]

'Competition' might be rooted deep in American society (nofi) but thinking in terms of 'competition with intelligent light' isn't really the the way to success in choreographing a show.

It's not about competition in it's purest sense, it's about the fact that there are lots of other lights around at American shows so proper choreography is vital, even more so than in Europe much of the time it seems. As was already mentioned by others in this thread, a truly good show is made through constant, careful cooperation between the laserist(s) and the lighting guys. That kind of cooperation isn't found at all shows, in fact it's kind of reserved for the most professional of shows over here.

[mccarrot]

Thats why we have a director at all the bigger party's like Qlimax, Sensation etc.


To get back to the question of the topicstarter:

If you are doing a show in the USA you need a Gigawatt liquid cooled Argon gas laser

If you are doing a show in Europe you need a tiny state of the art OPSL

(just kidding!)

Just like cars, American cars are heavy cars with big engines, European cars are small and efficient, but both take you where you want.

[ElektroFreak]

I noticed the pristine timing of pyro and lasers in the mysteryland videos. Is there some kind of dress rehearsal for these parties? It would seem to me that that kind of timing would be difficult if there was no prior knowledge of the tracks being played and the cue points...

[norty303]

I would guess that they're set pieces. From what I've seen of Qlimax at least, each of the DJ's seems to get an intro which is probably all worked out well in advance.
In fact, I'd be surprised if the DJ was actually playing that track. More likely a pre-processed piece of audio with timecode, etc for all the effects.

[carlos3621]

Thats why we have a director at all the bigger party's like Qlimax, Sensation etc.


To get back to the question of the topicstarter:

If you are doing a show in the USA you need a Gigawatt liquid cooled Argon gas laser

If you are doing a show in Europe you need a tiny state of the art OPSL

(just kidding!)

Just like cars, American cars are heavy cars with big engines, European cars are small and efficient, but both take you where you want.

That's how we roll, here in the wild west!
Bigger lasers, bigger cars, big breasted women, get the picture?? LOL
"GO BIG OR GO HOME"