Jon, Stop dancing on his virtual grave, its bad for your overall Karma.
Steve
Jon, Stop dancing on his virtual grave, its bad for your overall Karma.
Steve
You're right, Steve... smart@$$ satire, retracted... ...But sorry, I don't retract the Thanks to Admin for relieving the community of the 'boil'... I think everyone would have been more than-happy to co-exist with him returning to be a 'normal' positively-contributing member, occasional 'innocuous sparring', withstanding... I'm sure there is still a 'good-guy in-there', somewhere...
peace...
j
....and armed only with his trusty 21 Zorgawatt KTiOPO4...
I personally think EF is ok. He has been very helpful behind the scenes and has provided me with a stack of useful knowledge, advice, links etc over the past months.
The nature of the beast is outspoken, passionate and in your face it would appear. I wished he could have just handled this a little better, his absence comes at a cost due to his loss of input.
This space for rent.
Agreed. But, unfortunately, it didn't take much to 'unleash Mr Hyde' - he sure could 'dish it out', but could not 'take it'... Some of his 'clusterkuf' tirades and 'baiting' people, just so he could 'mock' them for their reponses, ie: THIS redicuious thread ... is simply not 'why this forum exists'... they guy was just *never wrong*, one way or another...
...I'm 'grave dancing' again, aren't I? OK, I'll shut-up, now...
peace...
j
....and armed only with his trusty 21 Zorgawatt KTiOPO4...
And he still can be helpful here; In a month when the ban expires. However helpful he has been behind the scenes to you doesn't change the fact that he has been exceptionally rude up front and unbelievably undeniably vile behind the scenes.
Another phrase I take issue with in your post is as follows: "The nature of the beast" as used to describe this issue. He is a human being and is capable of being civil yet chooses not to. Passion and intensity has *nothing* to do with being an asshat.
If I talk to someone and say something they disagree with and respond with "Yea, well, go fuck yourself." I quit talking to that person. Period. That response is only slightly worse than "because I said so." in my book. That is *not* how things happen and that is not how progress is had.
I understand that he has been helpful to you. Thats fine. I also understand that he has on more than a dozen occasions said some seriously stupid and/or mean shit to other people here.
I also understand that PL is designed to facilitate open conversations. Helping "behind the scenes" is something this industry is known for and I will not stand for it. Sunlight *is* the best disinfectant and "private data" helps no one other than the person who holds it to the detriment of everyone else.
He has a long history here and the first half of it was civil and societally productive: That is the only reason why the ban is temporary. Now having said that: I am rapidly approaching the amount of bullshit I am willing to put up with and my justifications for not dropping the permanent ban hammer on the user account and every IP he has every connected with are being stretched way too thin.
Look, people get angry with me because I do not appear to move very quickly or effectively with regards to my administrative actions and I can understand that. From a purely black and white perspective - The decision to ban should be borderline immediate. My "fault" is that I try to install shades of grey everywhere and give people the benefit of the doubt.
Now I am running out of patience and I am a *very* patient person. I spend multiple hours a day here at PL trying to make things better and "drive this fucking boat". Most of my time involves eyeballing PL through a text editor and that perspective is wildly different than what the member here sees... So pardon me: I am putting a wrench to the plumbing here and if I have to stop someone who is throwing wrenches between the teeth of gears a couple decks up, I get quite displeased.
Now having said *all* of that: I would like to know how you would have dealt with the situation any differently. The same goes for anyone else who happens to stumble across this post and I promise that I will refrain from using the phrase "See, not that easy is it?"
Hi Admin. Please don't get me wrong, I was not disagreeing with your handing out of cluebyfour's (lol) I was simply stating it was a shame he bought this on himself.
I acknowledge this is your domain, we are guests in your domain. I would do the same in your shoes. Besides, he asked for on more than one level.
This space for rent.
ya well, Bill might be a lot of things but I don't believe he is a lawyer... a lot of the frames pangolin comes with are so generic that it could be reasoned that someone else could make a very similar drawing in another application
also some of the frames pangolin comes with are copyrighted logos that I kind of doubt they have the owners permission to distribute to begin with
The internet is not only for toying.
You are responsible for your actions, and even though you get the chance to steal things doesn't mean you should.
People spend time on those frames, people work for that and that's real my "friend"
If there's one thing pissing me off its:
People stealing work from others *for example frames*
and people thinking that when they pay for their internet they can say and do whatever they want, where they want it.
You are at the wrong site if you think that, this attitude *especially with helping in the piracy of laser frames can get you sued / arrested and WONT gain you any respect.
If you are one of those persons: - I won't support you, I won't provide any help and respect to you.
*sarcasm* Thanks for being one of those people that shouldn't be on the PL *sarcasm*
Im not going into a discussion and Im not going to do that so called man to man thing, Use your brains and common sense and not your fists
Also: Things made for pangolin, are in ownership of pangolin (Unless told by the creator and said to pangolin themselves that they keep the rights ) it's as simple as that.
Feel free to correct me if I made a mistake or am wrong.
But when we start talking about the piracy of frames I start to get a bit disturbed (this was also when I heard of it happening the first time)
Last edited by masterpj; 12-14-2010 at 08:45.
Double post but in this case I don't care.
If you ever find a other place where a link for pirated frames are put or a link that has it or a place that offers it:
Send a direct Email to pangolin themselves not on a forum.
Or the owner / company those frames came from
some extra info:
And when sharing 3D things I will only share things converted with Illustrate with people here (likely specially made for sharing as not all will be shared).
On the pangolin sharing portal I share LC-max frames at first I send them to bill though, But If he want's me to share them on that portal directly then Yes I share them on that pangolin portal.
I heard about people trying to reverse engineer some things so I keep that I mind when starting myself.
Last edited by masterpj; 12-14-2010 at 09:16.
well I am fairly certain that most of the shows included with pangolin were not specifically made for pangolin (theres some obvious exceptions like Linea etc) they were just shared for pangolin users... but most of the notes indicate they should not be shared with non-pangolin users... you would have to contact the creators if you wanted to share them in another format