Zero Point Energy, Perpetual motion is possible

[Laserman532]

i remember road trips on the highways in central texas over 50 years ago and about every 25 miles was a blue tin roof restaurant / curio shop called Stucky's that sold those drinking birds. My parents would never buy me one because they were glass and was afraid I would break it instead they bought me the rubber indian throwing hatchet (complete with feathers) which I broke before I got in the car. Not having one of those drinking birds has probably scarred me for life.

Wonder what it would do in the vacuum of space.

if each bird produces 1 what you will need 14,000 of them to run a 168

[danielbriggs]

if each bird produces 1 what you will need 14,000 of them to run a 168

That's a lotta questions to answer!!

[catalanjo]

Problem is you would need more dam water for the birds to "drink" than you would need to cool the laser
Cheers

[Zoof]

zoof - A levitron in pure vacuum and in super conducting state ( at 0 K ??) would turn for ever - I suppose.

in a "perfect vacuum" would the gyroscopic effects of the spinning top tend to move the top away from the base or would the mass of the base have enough gravitational effects to hold them in proper relation to each other....uninspired minds want to know

OMG...levitrons in space, we are really reaching here

just to finish this off: I believe you confuse a ``pure vacuum'' and being is space...... two complete different things IMO. Vacuum will not affect gravity nor gyroscopic effects.

I'm allergic to scientific sounding BS - you hiding your ignorance behind "I can elaborate but why would I?" was just an irresistible itch.

cheers, better focus on the birds now...

[Laserman532]

any way, you brought up the levitron which was not the topic of discussion, and avoided free energy which was the topic. You definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt proved that you have earned your PHD in levitron and that I know nothing of this magical toy, are you happy now? You win, I loose, You are brilliant im a jester.

we left the topic of hands on real world application of science and went into the realm of "no, im smarter than you because i have a PHD in magnetism". If, you feel better for belittling me by your vast knowledge in physics compared to my hands on experiments of a novice, then so be it.

Im sure you will tear me a new asshole but...elaborate i will, i view lines of flux (whether right or wrong) as wire not as a smooth sphere. I saw the levitron spinning top as two opposing fields of wire rubbing together like fingerprints not like two pieces of glass with a lubricant between them. I mentioned air resistance and this "friction", you dazzeled us with wobble and eddy currents. Asshole is exposed and prepared for your tearing doctor.

it is obvious that you dont know everything because you left yourself an out with this statement.

zoof - A levitron in pure vacuum and in super conducting state ( at 0 K ??) would turn for ever - I suppose.

[Zoof]

Hey Pat, stop acting like your wife

As far as I see it, I have NOT been belittling you - I hope you see that.
Never have I said anything about your intelligence or skills.
Never have I been disrespectful of you as a person.
I have no idea what your education level is, but I left it out of the discussion as I did with mine - I did not pull some academic rank on you.

I challenged you by saying that you were wrong on a number of points. My arguments were based on content, knowledge, semantics, and reasoning. All fair on a forum like this. Yes, I shot a salvo at you, but get over it already!

Often PL is a pit of a pissing contest in terms of smarts, but all for the fun of it.

Now I'm going to give this one a rest.

[Laserman532]

Hey Pat, stop acting like your wife

As far as I see it, I have NOT been belittling you - I hope you see that.
Never have I said anything about your intelligence or skills.
Never have I been disrespectful of you as a person.
I have no idea what your education level is, but I left it out of the discussion as I did with mine - I did not pull some academic rank on you.

I challenged you by saying that you were wrong on a number of points. My arguments were based on content, knowledge, semantics, and reasoning. All fair on a forum like this. Yes, I shot a salvo at you, but get over it already!

Often PL is a pit of a pissing contest in terms of smarts, but all for the fun of it.

Now I'm going to give this one a rest.

zoof- Never have I said anything about your intelligence or skills.

zoof - I'm allergic to scientific sounding BS - you hiding your ignorance behind "I can elaborate but why would I?" was just an irresistible itch.

I did not elaborate because i do not have the vocabulary to explain "my thoughts" in a post on a internet forum. If I had a real time white board i could have drawn it easier than explain it. I do know the difference between a vacuum in a bell jar and the vacuum of space. I would assume (i have no data or mathematical explanation) that the magnetic flux of repelling forces would act differently in a vacuum of a bell jar verses the vacuum of space due to gravitational forces...i suppose.

we will stick with the "facts" that wobble and eddy currents and possibly air resistance slows the top down...i suppose

granted...my AAS degree in lasers and electro optics earned in 1978 lack the academic prowess to properly explain phenomena associated with magnet flux to a intellectually superior individual as yourself. You win!

[Zoof]

Ignorance... Well, should I have written ``lack of knowledge on this particular topic''? It was not meant as an insult. :-/

YAWN

[norty303]

Well, that's uncomfortable reading....

'You're crap and I'm better'
'Ok, so you win, stop calling me crap'
'I never said you were crap!'
'Yes you did <crap quote>'
'Oh, well I never meant it, but whatever <dismissive hand gesture>'

[Pianoman]

This back and forth conversation was entertaining. Is this really what I should be expecting from marriage?

So.... magnetic motors...