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[mccarrot]

I see there are few members in Purmenred here..has I will sleep here friday night...is there someone to bring my friend and me to an unforgetalble night ?

(not really all the night..we have a lem saturday ^^)

No problem,

Here is a list of party's on friday night:
http://partyflock.nl/party/day/2010/12/10.html

Or if you want to take it easy we can go to amsterdam for some beers or some Dutch cuisine

How many sleeping rooms do you have in this house you rented?

[borgqueenx]

Where does it state in the law that those lassrs are illigal? That would also mean projectors are illigal so you cant let that meeting go on...
I always use lasers like a weapon and point it at sky only, or burn things with savety glasses.
I come from LPF and heard some things that makes me thunk it is legal..

[SrS]

No, projectors aren’t illegal because they (should) have safety features. Something your >5mW pointer can't have.

[borgqueenx]

Savety features enough. One has keylock and they all wont work until i press the button. Its all about the user how save something is.
Where is the law article about lasers?

[buffo]

That would also mean projectors are illigal so you cant let that meeting go on...

No, not quite. You really should read up on the laws in your country before you make statements like that.

First, there is a big difference between a pointer and a laser projector. One can have interlocks, a shutter, a beam mask, and numerous other safety features. The other has no safety features and can be recklessly aimed in just about any direction.

Second, while it may be legal to use an un-certified projector at a private event (no commerce involved, therefore no jurisdiction), having an illegal pointer present can still be prosecuted, since it is by definition contraband. (The projector would still need to be certified to be used at a public event, of course.)

And finally, if the host of the event says no pointers, that should be that, regardless of the law. He's the one who is signing for the venue, and it's his ass if anything goes wrong. So if he doesn't want people to bring pointers, that's his call, and you should respect that.

I always use lasers like a weapon and point it at sky only, or burn things with savety glasses.

Pointing a high-powered laser at the sky can be quite dangerous, not to mention illegal, depending on your location. (Aircraft illumination)

I come from LPF and heard some things that makes me thunk it is legal..

The problem is that there is very little good information about laser safety or laser laws on LPF, but there is a lot of bad information there. Trying to tell the difference between the two is often difficult.

Instead of relying on what you've "heard", I suggest you actually look up the law for your country and read it. It's a public document, so it should be easy enough to find. Worst case, PM one of the members here on PL who are close to you, and they may be able to provide a link or two.

Adam

[borgqueenx]

No, not quite. You really should read up on the laws in your country before you make statements like that.

First, there is a big difference between a pointer and a laser projector. One can have interlocks, a shutter, a beam mask, and numerous other safety features. The other has no safety features and can be recklessly aimed in just about any direction.

Second, while it may be legal to use an un-certified projector at a private event (no commerce involved, therefore no jurisdiction), having an illegal pointer present can still be prosecuted, since it is by definition contraband. (The projector would still need to be certified to be used at a public event, of course.)

And finally, if the host of the event says no pointers, that should be that, regardless of the law. He's the one who is signing for the venue, and it's his ass if anything goes wrong. So if he doesn't want people to bring pointers, that's his call, and you should respect that.
Pointing a high-powered laser at the sky can be quite dangerous, not to mention illegal, depending on your location. (Aircraft illumination)
The problem is that there is very little good information about laser safety or laser laws on LPF, but there is a lot of bad information there. Trying to tell the difference between the two is often difficult.

Instead of relying on what you've "heard", I suggest you actually look up the law for your country and read it. It's a public document, so it should be easy enough to find. Worst case, PM one of the members here on PL who are close to you, and they may be able to provide a link or two.

Adam

ofcouce i respect it, if he doesnt want pointers i wont bring pointers.
But i want to know why. i already once asked the police, but they said it was illigal but couldnt give me something on paper ;(

[mccarrot]

Where does it state in the law that those lassrs are illigal? That would also mean projectors are illigal so you cant let that meeting go on...
I always use lasers like a weapon and point it at sky only, or burn things with savety glasses.
I come from LPF and heard some things that makes me thunk it is legal..

e.e.a. in 2009 besproken in de tweede kamer. Er is toen een onderzoek geweest naar aanleiding van het gebruik van laser(pointers) in het kader van de hair-removers. Naar aanleiding van genoemd onderzoek heeft toenmalig staatssecretaris Erica Terpstra besloten laserpointers uit klasse III te verbieden. E.e.a. werd toen geregeld in de of door de Voedsel en Waren Autoriteit (VWA).

De VWA stelt dan ook al terecht in september 2006 (VWA informatiebladnr. 26) dat het verhandelen van laserpointers aan consumenten van laserklassen 3R, 3B en 4. niet is toegestaan.

Dat betekent dat alleen Klasse I en Klasse II laserpointers legaal zijn, oftewel een maximum vermogen van 1mW.

http://www.vwa.nl/onderwerpen/produc.../laserpointers

in English: only class 1 and class II laserpointers are legal in NL. this is a maximum power of 1mW!!!

[borgqueenx]

e.e.a. in 2009 besproken in de tweede kamer. Er is toen een onderzoek geweest naar aanleiding van het gebruik van laser(pointers) in het kader van de hair-removers. Naar aanleiding van genoemd onderzoek heeft toenmalig staatssecretaris Erica Terpstra besloten laserpointers uit klasse III te verbieden. E.e.a. werd toen geregeld in de of door de Voedsel en Waren Autoriteit (VWA).

De VWA stelt dan ook al terecht in september 2006 (VWA informatiebladnr. 26) dat het verhandelen van laserpointers aan consumenten van laserklassen 3R, 3B en 4. niet is toegestaan.

Dat betekent dat alleen Klasse I en Klasse II laserpointers legaal zijn, oftewel een maximum vermogen van 1mW.

http://www.vwa.nl/onderwerpen/produc.../laserpointers

in English: only class 1 and class II laserpointers are legal in NL. this is a maximum power of 1mW!!!

mmmh there must be some way that overrules this. for example lab lasers must be allowed no matter the mw? i have read in "de telegraaf" that some cop said laserpointer were legal as long they are not used as weapon.
If there is none you made me sad

[masterpj]

How do I sign in? Im coming too

[cyberb0b]

How do I sign in? Im coming too

You Just did
Are you bringing some equipment?