How to prepare for a show outside?

[norty303]

The getting blind your fault reply was because pj likes things more safe then me.
Someone can always grab a ladder and put his face in the projector if he wants to.
People can achieve almost anything. Its a matter of how much he straves to accomplish it.

I think the point is, the average punter does not understand how dangerous lasers really are, therefore it is the laserists responsibility to protect those people from themselves.
Personally I think you're about to bite off more than you can chew, and you don't have the right kit to make what you want to do work.

With a similar sized projector, on a perfectly dark night (e.g. without all the background light that a fairground will contribute) I can just about see some scanned beams in the air, but I have to look hard for them.

I also think you are asking some basic questions that you should really know the answer to if you are going to do this job. E.g.

but how will i prevent the lasers to hit something? place a small-reflecting surface like a piece of metal like 100-200m from the projector facing a bit to the sky so it reflects away instead of going to infinity where some moron can go blind himselfs?
or just point the projector on a way it doesnt hit a house or tree at 20 degree scanning angle?(this will decrease visibility alot ofcource)
it just seems alot harder to ensure savety that way.

[masterpj]

I think borg understands now

Anyways: Borg it's good that you posted and asked for information before just doing it.
I rather have that then just doing it and have something happen.

I do know some safety measures to take, but I'm sure not all of them, I don't want to take a bet on that.
In any case it would be good to aqquire some extra information.

In any case if there is some source or relevant information about laser safety, please post below if possible.
You'll never know when you see a rule or safety measure you and I have not thought about yet.

the closer to that 100% safety and attention to safety also gives you a the cleaner reputation in return.. In other words you benefit in a sort of way too.

Off course someone can stand on a ladder, but making it harder to have an accident happen is always better.
Also a ladder eh?
Would someone be allowed to walk with a ladder on a fair?
Unless he is personel I highly doubt this.
also.... how many people happen to have an ladder handy?

[planters]

I'm still curious about the laws. I am completing a pretty powerful RGB projector here in the US and in the overcast and foggy New England countryside I was planning to do outdoor projecting from my own property from a location without a line of site to any roads. What about permission from the FAA, local township and police. What is just courtesy and what is required? Marc, maybe you have a good handle on how to approach this without alienating the fun monitors.

[flecom]

I'm still curious about the laws. I am completing a pretty powerful RGB projector here in the US and in the overcast and foggy New England countryside I was planning to do outdoor projecting from my own property from a location without a line of site to any roads. What about permission from the FAA, local township and police. What is just courtesy and what is required? Marc, maybe you have a good handle on how to approach this without alienating the fun monitors.

in the US you HAVE to have FAA approval or else you can be facing 3 years in prison!

this is no joke!

to get permission from the FAA your projector has to have a Variance (the FAA paperwork will ask you for all that information)

[masterpj]

The Netherlands is less strict about this.
As long as you obey the official rules of safety and use your common sense when operating you should do fine.
You are expected to maintain and be able to guarantee safety, for the most part this is up to you to check and maintain.

Except asking permission from the flight departement when lasering in the air you should be ok.
Unless it's a commercial bussiness you need to pay taxes just as if it is a normal job
*if you do this for a living and such*

As far as I know laserpointers are not allowed in public, this isn't including laser projectors.
Furthermore we could say the law has few documentation when it comes to laser projectors here.

[borgqueenx]

The Netherlands is less strict about this.
As long as you obey the official rules of safety and use your common sense when operating you should do fine.
You are expected to maintain and be able to guarantee safety, for the most part this is up to you to check and maintain.

Except asking permission from the flight departement when lasering in the air you should be ok.
Unless it's a commercial bussiness you need to pay taxes just as if it is a normal job
*if you do this for a living and such*

As far as I know laserpointers are not allowed in public, this isn't including laser projectors.
Furthermore we could say the law has few documentation when it comes to laser projectors here.

Pointers are legal in the netherlands. I never had any proof its illigal.
You are sure thats all needed to lase?

[masterpj]

Pretty much yeah, but do not really on only my information... hmm let me check what's the best place to call / inform in this case... since well if you call your governement or "gemeente" or something they will not give you a sensible answer.. actually they can not help you on this because they have no clue what they are talking about.

I'm pretty sure that includes it for the most.

the thing is that the audience safety and your's go's first (but especially the audience) if that can be guaranteed and marked as safe, then indeed permission to the airport if beaming in the air.
That's pretty much it yeah.

[flecom]

The Netherlands is less strict about this.

Yes but the person that asked in the post above mine was in the us

[masterpj]

Yes but the person that asked in the post above mine was in the us

??? *slightly confused* borgqueenx is from the netherlands :P

[flecom]

the person that posted right before me, and I quoted "planters" is from New Hampshire