Allen?

[masterpj]

lets just stop this conversation, this is getting no where and so aren't the results.
We are not here to make a fight or flamewar, it would be really good if we can keep this the last post of this topic and start talking about other things again there are many other things going on in the laser bussiness that might be better if we spend our attention onto it, just like most of you i'm not picking a fight, but I dont want others to do so or get the chance either, so thats why I ask to please stop arguing on this topic

Thanks guys,

Best regards,

Pieter

[dsli_jon]

... I have to respectfully, yet strongly-disagree with you on a few points, here, Sir Karl...

The real problem here is that Allen was labeled as public enemy #1 from day #1 because he had a laserscope and did not know a hell of a lot about it.

No. The real problem is that Allen a) set a bad-example for how things should-be done, both in manufacturing / quality-workmanship with such a dangerous laser-system, and b) in putting the 'cart WAY before the horse', in advertising and promoting his laser-services, *before* even having a proper-understanding of either the letter or the spirit of the law, let-alone having-filed for a show-variance... in over 2 YEARS... Oh, and c) he directly LIED to Spec, and the entire community. He was not 'labeled an enemy' because of his lack of knowledge and experience - he made himself into an enemy of the community, by lying and manipulating everyone, on-top of setting a bad example / refuting the validity of nearly *every* shred of correct advice he was very-freely given. Sorry, but: Fail.

I do realize that he seemed to ignore the advise of many pros and hobby types alike back then, but that does not mean he was taking it out doing audience scanning...

No, but the video he showed Spec (before it was conveniently-deleted it off his site-pages...) of him doing an outdoor show with his 'conversion', meant he was taking it out / doing shows w/O a Variance. And, if, indeed, that was just 'another lie', and he only-really ever x-rented his *illegal* rig (...Does this look like a show / x-rental-worthy rig to you? http://www.flickr.com/photos/prodjallen/4385355956/) to some other sho-Co, with a Var to do-so... he *still* engaged - and, sounds like, continues-to engage - in commerce, w/O a Variance. Again, not someone particularly welcome in the laser-show industry / CA-scene, *or* PL, for that matter.

He has changed? Really?? No Variance to sell / perform, yet his 'presence' out-there - as-of Today's Date - very-consistently promotes / presents an 'active' Co. / capability, ie: http://www.allen.dj/ - Click on 'Latest Video', select any-one - most feature audience-scanning / face-shots... I can post some stills, if need-be..; http://www.facebook.com/pages/DJ-ALLEN/194565294814 ; http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...5294814&type=1 ; http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...5294814&type=3 ; http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...5294814&type=3 ; http://www.gatheringguide.com/vp/dj-allen-pomona ; Etc... Oh, and:

(..this was from someone else's post, in the last-go around... not sure if it's still out there...)

.... So, what - He's just doing all this for 'pre-sales'?? Sorry, but with all his 'duplicity', even this-year - ie: remember his Flicker pages back in early 2011, where he posted pix of his "12 Watts of Red"?? Yeah, maybe it was 2W.. And, his kiping of MY shop pix of the Dye-head, in-action - w/ no 'photo credit' - which I could care-less about - except-that, it's like he's 'implying' it's his work / achievements, again, when, it's NOT. Remember the "20 Watt 171 Kr's" he boasted-about on his web-homepage? Do I really need to re-post the chat pages?? Point-is - with a him-reinforced rep for duplicitous-behaviour - how can anyone really trust his word that he's "never done a real show, in public", *especially* with all his - still-current - promotion of it??

OK, fine - can we 'really PROVE that he is or isn't doing shows' - ie: Got video of him setting-up / performing, then getting paid? No. But, imo, he has no-business *advertising* that he has that capacity TILL he has at least his sho-Var. And, IF he just 'x-sells' the shows he *might* get-in, to a 'real' ShoCo - why not just SAY SO (ie: DJAllen - Exclusive Reps for XYZ Laser Sho Co...) Again, duplicity.

More than half of his posts were posted simply to get a rise out of the people that were trashing him.

And this is excusable - why? Cause it's 'in the past'? OK, fair-enough - it will be forever-forgotten / irrelevant, the MINUTE he FILES his friggin Variance - at least a Sho Var.

Jon, to answer your question about filing his sho variance? No, he has not, but he is very shortly,

I heard that very same thing over 1 year-ago. I will be 'impressed' when I hear that he has actually FILED. And, I may-yet reconsider helping him, ONCE he DOES WHAT HE SAYS HE WILL DO. When we have excellent-examples, here in PL, like: Blowfly, Allthat, Gottaluv, Dnar - and many others of busy-people getting their paperwork IN / getting approved, there's just simply NO MORE EXCUSES, from where I sit. Which, I fully-realize, is of zero-consequence, I am no-one of any 'authority'. Just replying to your post.

And, Pat is correct - he's modified that 'source', and to such an extent, that it is no-longer SAFE, let-alone a certified or even-compliant OEM-source - even if it WAS - he STILL NEEDS A VAR TO BE X-RENTING / GAINING FROM IT.

Give the kid a chance.

He's had 730, at a minimum, by my-count. (Days to have-filed his Var, that-is...

Karl, I will sincerely be delighted to hear of real-progress from him; You guys are genuine Saints. I will be happy to stand-corrected, if you guys can supply info of what 'progress' he's made, other-than stuff I heard from him / we discussed over a year ago...



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Hey Sir J -

In the spirit of sharing when can we expect this? It would be nice to see the work needed prior to buying one then trying to find the right willing people to help you.

You won't, at least not on PL - That kind of information should ONLY be given to those who are 'qualified' to 'own' / know / use such-info, whether gained-thru experience or training or - ideally - both. I, for one, will NOT be a part of such a 'resource' - don't want the liability.

0.05.
j

[JohnYayas]

The problem is usually due to the mob mentality on here.

[masterpj]

Dsli_john you may be and may not be right on serveral points, but that aside this conversation is not getting anywhere, at max we are risking that people will refuse to share their intelligence with the community, some of us really need that so I suggest we all stop the whole arguing and keep your own perspective on it for ourselves
I'm not commanding you, neither is it ment rude or mean or threathening but I just think for the sake of results that can come out of the argueing, this is really the best.
About the laserscope modification, you will need to know the information of the person qualified to do this and the decision is up to him if he decides to share his knowledge with him or her, sounds good to me.
A person would first need to investigate himselves and learn about the things when it comes to a laserscope, that learning curve will automatically guide him to the right person of information, people who are not willing to learn will not find that person

thanks in advance,

Pieter

[polishedball]

PJ so if someone said to you: stop making laser shows or I'll take all my information away, you would quit making laser shows?

That is the point to me taking away free speech, its the internet we should all be able to say what we want and not have it dictated what we can say out of fear of loosing information.

I however will now be done, and heck I never said anything bad or good ever about the DJ.

Dsli_john you may be and may not be right on serveral points, but that aside this conversation is not getting anywhere, at max we are risking that people will refuse to share their intelligence with the community, some of us really need that so I suggest we all stop the whole arguing and keep your own perspective on it for ourselves
I'm not commanding you, neither is it ment rude or mean or threathening but I just think for the sake of results that can come out of the argueing, this is really the best.
About the laserscope modification, you will need to know the information of the person qualified to do this and the decision is up to him if he decides to share his knowledge with him or her, sounds good to me.
A person would first need to investigate himselves and learn about the things when it comes to a laserscope, that learning curve will automatically guide him to the right person of information, people who are not willing to learn will not find that person

thanks in advance,

Pieter

[masterpj]

I would not stop making lasershows, but this is still different, it's not preventing me from doing activities at all.
But you really dont need to do this.
And in this case i go for the information then the freedom of speech on this topic, I would likely need some information that i can find it, I would find it rather dissapointing if someone would spoil it for a complete community just because he feels he needs to give his speech
again this is not ment insulting, but rather something to also think about.
Knowledge shouldn't be sacrificed if there isn't a good use or need for it.

Anyway thanks for being done.

[steve-o]

-as promised, post deleted-

[masterpj]

calm down, calm down man.
It's ok.
Shit happens, i forgive ya for being curious.
I'm a curious guy too at times.

[steve-o]

this wasnt aimed at you pj, your post just slipped in b4 i could get my big red letters configured.

I will delete the post in about :30 to keep the sanity-balance here . I just need to stop what I started, and try to make a pause and aback ..

[JohnYayas]

this wasnt aimed at you pj, your post just slipped in b4 i could get my big red letters configured.

I will delete the post in about :30 to keep the sanity-balance here . I just need to stop what I started, and try to make a pause and aback ..

I got a kick out of your post.