New EYEMAGIC Scanners EMS7000

[White-Light]

I don't doubt they're very good bearings, but more than $600 a set? No.

Can't make any comment on that or most of the technical as this is way over my head and I have no desire to get in the middle of a heated discussion over which company is better.

However, I did look up the steel in the Wiki, it certainly sounds like an impressive compound and it is noted for its expense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPM_S30V_steel

I could see the machining costs being high with such a high grade material as stainless is very hard to start with and this stuff is noted to be an exceptionally hard compound and I imagine in turn that makes machining difficult.

Whether or not that better material translates into better scanners we'll have to wait and see. However, I have no reason to doubt Bill as Pangolin usually deliver what is promised on the technical side of things.

[absolom7691]

I don't doubt they're very good bearings, but more than $600 a set? No.

If these were massed produced for Pangolin, then no, I don't think they would be more than $600 a set however, if Pangolin only ordered a few sets of these bearings, and they were custom fabricated for Pangolin, then yes, I can see the cost of these being extremely high.

[JohnYayas]

If these were massed produced for Pangolin, then no, I don't think they would be more than $600 a set however, if Pangolin only ordered a few sets of these bearings, and they were custom fabricated for Pangolin, then yes, I can see the cost of these being extremely high.

Bill stated that the bearings cost more than the manufacturing costs of the competitors scanners. Manufacturing costs of Chinese scanners are nowhere near $600.

[carlos3621]

Supply and demand is an economic model of price determination in a market. It concludes that in a competitive market, the unit price for a particular good will vary until it settles at a point where the quantity demanded by consumers (at current price) will equal the quantity supplied by producers (at current price), resulting in an economic equilibrium of price and quantity.


My .02 cents,

Can a better controller be built ? Yes
Can better scanners be bulit ? Yes

Does it make good business sense to do so? No, why?
(see above).

If somebody builds a better, overall controller for lasershow use, at the same price of the Pango setup,build it,
Ill be the first in line to buy it!

If somebody builds a better scanner than the 6215's , build it and sell it for the same price, ill buy that too!

In other words, put up or..... You know the rest

[swamidog]

define "better".

If somebody builds a better, overall controller for lasershow use, at the same price of the Pango setup,build it,
Ill be the first in line to buy it!

[j4cbo]

I'll be happy to clarify anything, and respond -- factually -- to any question. No problem.

The K rating of a scanner has more to do with heat inside the scanner than anything else. That's why a Cambridge model 6800 is a 30K scanner period. And that's why all scanners that look like a Cambridge model 6800 are also 30K scanners. Sure -- scanners may be tuned to a higher rate. So doesn't that make them faster? NO!! The reason is because -- to tune them to a higher rate will generate far more heat inside the scanner to the point of failure. The flip side of this is that higher tuning (with the same torque, same resistance, etc.) necessarily requires the size to be reduced -- geometrically.

This seems to contradict your article here: http://www.pangolin.com/ILDAtest.html

Maybe you're saying that describing a product as being a "30K scanner" is something entirely different from saying "this scanner runs at ILDA 30K pps", which is the phrasing used by that article about the ILDA test pattern. If the former is, in fact, "more to do with heat inside the scanner than anything else", then I'd like to understand what the exact criteria are.

[colouredmirrorball]

Heat or temperature?

[carlos3621]

define "better".

"MO-better"

[colouredmirrorball]

As in ethernet support, on board processing, and being about 2/13 the price of a QM2k?

[dsli_jon]

..competitors scanners. Manufacturing costs of Chinese scanners are nowhere near..

I'd *highly* doubt that Bill, et all, would consider Chivos to be 'competition' for their slated supergalvo... CT is 'competition', and, at least from the standpoint of 'industry-posturing', EMS would-be, as-well.. Chivos are, well.. essentially 'disposable cameras'... up-to / including the much-hyped DT 40 and 50 Pros..

..decent galvos for the $$? For hobbiest / DJ-caliber werk, sure - but, I'd posture to *guarantee* you, in the 'high-dollar Pro-show sector' they're not considered 'bankable' - no way in heckfire we'll ever bank a $25K show on Chivos, and - we're a fart in the wind, compared to many larger Co's out there. ..Jus sayin'..

Keen to see the FLEM-data, 'sad' though it sounds like it might be...
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