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    Default Question grinding & polishing lenses concave convex and others, as well as prisms

    I have build my own 4 axis CNC mill as well as a CNC lathe, i am soon owner of a few new HAAS CNC 3 axis and 5 Axis, i was wondering how they grind and polish these lenses that we use for example in the blue and red laser build, does anyone have some more information on that.

    I would be interested in building a small micro machine CNC if we can or need too, to make these lenses, i have a budget of about 7500 USD, anyone with info on optics grinding polishing please let me know. Please also let me know if i complete on the wrong track here and the machines for that are different... I dont want to go into mass production just prototypes or small runs...

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    The chances are that the small lenses are cast from a monomer. The most commonly used monomer for ophthalmic lenses is CR39 (CR stands for Columbia Resin), this yields a cast lens with a 1.498 refractive index.

    If you use a CNC machine to cut the lenses you'll need to have a means of polishing them. The most common polishing agent these days seems to be aluminium oxide, sometimes additives are added to improve lubrication during the polishing process. Lenses that have been cut on a CNC usually go through a two stage polishing process, the first process is called 'fining' and this smooths the lens to a dull polish using an abrasive 'fining pad'. The next stage involves using a felt pad and a slurry of polishing compound, this needs to be chilled to prevent overheating.

    You'll need some fining and polishing 'tools' of the correct curvatures for the surfaces of the lenses you're wanting to polish. You'll also need to work out the curvatures of the front and back surfaces of the lenses taking into account the amount of material that will be removed in the fining and polishing processes. Otherwise you'll end up with lenses that are either too weak or too strong.

    As technology progresses there are now CNC mills available that are able to produce such a good surface directly off the mill that you only need to polish them and you can miss out the first fining process.

    That's a fairly simplistic overview of lens production, I hope it's somewhat useful to give you an idea of what you're up against.

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    Thank you for this info, do you have any links to micro machines that perform this kind of work.

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    Search for "diamond turning" that will get you going. Those machines are very special to get results like that. Your home brew stuff will not get that fine. Nether will the haas stuff.

    I thought about it too, I have haas stuff. What I did think about doing is machining the glass into blanks that could be polished. The problem with this is I would also need to design a polishing machine, and i don't really know anything about polishing glass to a laser quality optic. Then you need to get it coated.... I came to the conclusion it was better just to buy what you need. Or if you have to order something custom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Search for "diamond turning" that will get you going. Those machines are very special to get results like that. Your home brew stuff will not get that fine. Nether will the haas stuff.

    I thought about it too, I have haas stuff. What I did think about doing is machining the glass into blanks that could be polished. The problem with this is I would also need to design a polishing machine, and i don't really know anything about polishing glass to a laser quality optic. Then you need to get it coated.... I came to the conclusion it was better just to buy what you need. Or if you have to order something custom.

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    I would never use my Haas to cut glass, kkk but i can build a small 5 axis machine for polishing or grinding, get some C3 ground ball screws with double nuts so i would have any backslash for all the AXIS. Cut it out off all steel. Use servos with EMC2, add some linear glass scales. Working cube i would need no more then 5 x 5 x 5cm.

    Thank you for that info on the diamond turning.

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    One thing i just thought about, I did grind, form and polish telescope mirrors before nothing bigger then 10inch, is there a similar method for lets say the lenses we use...

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    To polish glass lenses you'll need a cerium oxide slurry
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    One thing i just thought about, I did grind, form and polish telescope mirrors before nothing bigger then 10inch, is there a similar method for lets say the lenses we use...
    Been there (am there). For the small optics used with the typical projector set up, the cost is spread over the multiples produced at one time and the effort of going through all the stages of generating and polishing for one optic only become attractive only as the individual lens/mirror is in the $100's and up and up range.

    However, using typical vertical mills with the appropriate cutters (diamond) you can achieve near net shapes on mid sized optics that will significantly reduce your time "walking around the barrel".

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    I have polished glass and quartz by hand... lots of wheels, lots of cerium oxide... I also have a friend that used to design polishing processes for Titanium medical implants... If you want to go that route I can forward contact info but I am sure the process will not be cheap.

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