I'll prolly get shot for this, but..

[dsli_jon]

..saw the *scariest* movie last nite on AMC.. more terrifying than Dante's inferno!!



...Left, right, center - anyway you 'swing', this country sure is a mess cause of the 'vampirical-elements' on both sides.. (..'ya'll ever-see the 'Inside Job' documentary? Arrgh...

Well, here's hoping 2013 will not be as horrible as it looks like it prolly will-be.. We can at least try to be positive, right? At least there's always Costa Rica..

cheers..
j

[planters]

Don't swing right or left... a devout Libertarian don't you know.

But, did you know the Bush family owns over 200,000 acres in Paraguay? Think they might know something. Scary isn't it?

[buffo]

Costa Rica? Paraguay? Come on people... If you're going to abandon your country for a safe haven, at least make it someplace really awesome. My money would be on New Zealand. (Assuming I had any money, or assming was even remotely serious about leaving, which of course I'm not.)

The political circus is just that: a circus. A Kabuki theater presentation to distract the population from the fact that very little actually gets done one way or another. And thankfully, it's about to come to a close. (Good thing too, because I'm really tired of my phone ringing off the hook with people trying to tell me who to vote for.)

Adam

PS: Eric - "Bush know something?" Surely you jest...

[planters]

If you're going to abandon your country for a safe haven, at least make it someplace really awesome. My money would be on New Zealand.

Firstly, I'd say pick a good state and tell the feds to... Secondly, New Zealand; been there done that and when you get some of the locals lubricated... not paradise (unless you have socialistic bent), but pretty good. Problem is government policy is without at least one Nobel Prize not much luck emigrating. B.H.O has that aspect covered.

RE. Bush, defiantly no Albert Schweitzer, yet despite all the detractors (myself included and don't get me started here) the guy has done pretty well for HIMSELF (as has his dad). There are a lot of rich kids who don't get to be president for two terms. So, he may not be able to work out deep truths, he may just have some useful contacts, but nonetheless I wouldn't discount his decisions. Plus, it is not clear if it isn't mostly the father's decision and who exactly owns what.

[buffo]

Firstly, I'd say pick a good state and tell the feds to...

That plan didn't work out too well for those folks in Waco, TX... True, if you picked someplace desolate in the american southwest, you might get away with it for a while longer, but in the end the feds will find you.

Secondly, New Zealand; been there done that and when you get some of the locals lubricated... not paradise (unless you have socialistic bent), but pretty good.

Given the immense size and small population (under 4.5 million) of the country, I wouldn't be all that worried about "locals".

Problem is government policy is without at least one Nobel Prize not much luck emigrating.

Yup. This is the real issue. Though I suppose a net worth of more than a few million bucks might be enough to get you in...

There are a lot of rich kids who don't get to be president for two terms.

Good point, but I think that's more down to the skills of the family at large than anything he's come up with on his own. If anything, the only thing he knew is to go along with whatever his handlers had in store for him.

Plus, it is not clear if it isn't mostly the father's decision and who exactly owns what.

My point exactly.

Even so, I can't really fathom what they would want with 200,000 acres in Paraguay. Talk about a shithole... Unless they're thinking about setting up a huge grow operation down there for the day that they legalise pot here in the states.?. (Kidding!)

Adam

[planters]

That plan didn't work out too well for those folks in Waco, TX... True, if you picked someplace desolate in the american southwest, you might get away with it for a while longer, but in the end the feds will find you.

It didn't work out that well for Randy Weaver either. I'm not talking about counter culture isolationists. More like the entire state of Texas and reminding the federal government with some enthusiasm about the 10th amendment. Despite the current leadership and the passive, celebrity worshiping majority of it's population, the U.S. is still one of the best plays around.

Given the immense size and small population (under 4.5 million) of the country, I wouldn't be all that worried about "locals".

New Zealand is not that immense and the locals I'm talking about are the actual citizens, by and large pretty nice people, who live that system with it's good and bad not some Kiwi version of croc. Dundee. And the threshold is unusually high... a net worth of a few million MAY do it.

Good point, but I think that's more down to the skills of the family at large than anything he's come up with on his own.

Sure, That's my point. I'm not dissecting their internal politics, but when any individual or family that generates THREE presidential terms decides to invest, it probably deserves some attention. When the investment is large and in real estate outside of the country they were president of then that concerns me.

[dsli_jon]

Hmmmm... http://en.mercopress.com/2012/10/17/...-next-december ..certainly can't deny the Family-lust for oil.. Though, yeah, not much there.. although it would-be marginally 'easier' to stage a 'coup' against Venezuela (..and its' oil treasure-chest..) from Paraguay... vs TX..

...just hoping Buckshot Cheney and Redrumsfeld can't ever have anything to do with being evil-overlords, again.. I think Cheney is the only living-person I am actually afraid-of.. *shudder* ..I'd sooner room with Chuck Manson..

*sigh*

[gashead]

New Zealand is not that immense and the locals I'm talking about are the actual citizens, by and large pretty nice people, who live that system with it's good and bad not some Kiwi version of croc. Dundee. And the threshold is unusually high... a net worth of a few million MAY do it.

We don't want you. Go run away to Aussie instead.. that's what most of us Kiwi's do.

[buffo]

It didn't work out that well for Randy Weaver either.

Exactly my point - even in isolation, in the end the Feds will catch up with you.

I'm not talking about counter culture isolationists. More like the entire state of Texas and reminding the federal government with some enthusiasm about the 10th amendment.

Wow - really? Secession? Totally not an option, despite what many Texans might claim to the contrary. The last time it was tried it was a disaster, and even though every redneck loves to brag about his or her "southern heritage", there are enough educated people in the south to prevent something that galactically stupid from ever happening again.

Despite the current leadership and the passive, celebrity worshiping majority of it's population, the U.S. is still one of the best plays around.

I agree completely. This is the key fact that far too many people forget. For all the cries of doom and gloom from the rabid, foaming at the mouth lunatics on either side of the political spectrum, the fact remains that by and large, things are good here, and are likely to remain that way.

New Zealand is not that immense

Only a little smaller than the state of California, with an even longer longitudinal spread. So a huge climate variation, with just over one tenth the population of CA. I dunno, seems pretty large (and isolated) to me.

the locals I'm talking about are the actual citizens, by and large pretty nice people, who live that system with it's good and bad

The few Kiwi's I've had the pleasure of meeting were mostly city-folks, but they certainly didn't give me any reason to fear them when they got "lubricated". If anything, I fear the locals here in the south far more, since when they get "lubricated" they start spouting ideas that should have died out in the 1960's. (If not the 1860's!)

That being said, it's all mental masturbation anyway, because 1) I don't have, nor will I ever have, the 8 digit new worth needed to get in, and 2) I have no plans to leave my country in the first place. I might bitch and moan like the rest, but in the end I do recognize that we've got it pretty good - even with the rednecks...

Adam

[planters]

The few Kiwi's I've had the pleasure of meeting were mostly city-folks, but they certainly didn't give me any reason to fear them when they got "lubricated". If anything, I fear the locals here in the south far more, since when they get "lubricated" they start spouting ideas that should have died out in the 1960's. (If not the 1860's!)

That is where we differ. No fear here or there with the locals. Valery Jarret or Dick Cheney scar me a lot more especially sober (me that is). It is a very pretty country, but so is the US. No real reason to move.

And no not secession. But, when the huge population of one whacked out and dysfunctional state (sorry Jon) supports an interfering Federalism it is right and good that the constitution permits another state to say "screw you". And you do this with the Supreme Court; not with the Posse Comitatus.