~650mW 638 and 1.5W 445? How much?

[norty303]

If you use your projector only for fun and hobby stick with a project build by yourself or someone here on PL. If you use your projector professionally then having a company behind you that takes care of all your modules is a must. I give 1 year warrenty and 2 years of service etc but yes the price is different but you get more for this then only a module

Actually, I cross both scenarios.

I use my projectors for business, but I am capable of my own maintenance. What I don't have the ability to do is make core compoenents such as nice flat baseplates and optics mounts. My favourite module to date was the kit that Dave did for the dual knife edged 445, as it took care of the all the components, but I could assemble as required, and it's something I can service myself. Hence the requirements to keep it as simple as possible. Realignment and diode changes and driver adjestments should be easily within the possibilities.

To be honest, if something has to get shipped anywhere for a service or warranty repair then I've kinda failed.

This part in particular, I really can't agree with, unless of course that company is mine

If you use your projector professionally then having a company behind you that takes care of all your modules is a must.

[edison]

@ Norty : Your lucky that you have the skills to do some building yourself and to save some money allong the line but for most people this is not the case. I have sold many kits and i have about 150 Pm,s about questions how to replace diodes, glue mirrors, how to allign beams, do i need tec cooling , what diodes to buy, what current to run the diodes, what glue to use, do i need to clean the lenses, and the list goes on and on. I help people also when they buy a module when something else needs to be done like maybe repair a green that they didn,t bought from me or help people with parts that many of us don,t have access too. Most of the time i also give stuff away only to support people. Left overs from the development process. Some people want a telescope holder, some brass mounts etc. That ads up when you need to buy all the stuff your self. I also do trades and such. We all could use a little bit of help once in a while and i,m not exception. Most hobbyists that bought my modules are happy with the help and for me that gives me the oppertunity to manufacture stuff because i can,t finance all the metalbill all by myself.

I need to sell stuff to develop and manufacturing stuff. Even if someone has the skills to build things themselves it would be great to have their support. But and this is part of live when you have the skills why would you support someone else if you can keep that money in your own pocket. Please don,t see this as an Attack on your side Norty just displaying how live is and how things ussually are. As a mather of fact i even had VJERNST here at my house that bought 2 projectors of me and i showed how i things should be done by building things together. He gave me a shitload of promises that he would support me but after the 2 projectors he never bought anything from me again.He copied my projector in terms of style dimensions etc and has at least 7 now Why? The answer is simple. Money. When you buy stuff it cost more so in the end so why not save the money and build it yourself. Just 1 of the many examples that shows when money is involved people are become a totally different person.

I trust people but when money is involved then things are changing rapidly. Its all about how can i get the most light for the least amount of money. But that is with all things in live. Helping eachother out is great as long there isn,t money involved. Miichel rietveld , Hobbybob and Rizard are one of the few exceptions here in the netherlands.....

So reflecting on this topic i think if badger can build it himself or wants to trade quality and service for less money then i think a setup like Planters suggested build by himself or by Andy or some other PL member that can do the job.

So how big the budget is that is the more important question.

[LaNeK779]

i don't think such a big essay is needed on values, life and mankind in general

an m140, 405-g-2 glass with a prism or cyl pair and a slightly overdriven p73 mitsu with some dave brass and glass is all that is needed here

combine the two in a single module using the same cyl pair, add an mgl-h 500 (you are familiar with it), bang it off some dt30 and you are set

[edison]

Well Maybe not but someone has to pop the balloon here once in a while that we are all friends here at PL and we are all helping eachother. Wait until money is involved. Like i said budget is the only thing that determines the setup.

So a setup for a 100 pound with reasonable beamspecs or a Module like Kvant, RGB or mine with service for 0 behind that 100 and 2 years of service and a company to back you up.

The most light for the least of money there is all there is to it. Just a dead honest opinion how things work in life. Want to drive a fast car spend money , want to save money buy a cheap one and replace the engine your self. No warrenty it will run properly though

[tonyaztec]

m140, 405-g-2 glass with a prism or cyl pair and a slightly overdriven p73 mitsu with some dave brass and glass is all that is needed here

combine the two in a single module using the same cyl pair, add an mgl-h 500 (you are familiar with it), bang it off some dt30 and you are set

That's pretty much my plan..

[White-Light]

"And only diverge outside of the projector", You mean Converge. The beams are always diverging; right from the start.

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[LaNeK779]

Well Maybe not but someone has to pop the balloon here once in a while that we are all friends here at PL and we are all helping eachother. Wait until money is involved. Like i said budget is the only thing that determines the setup.

Well, I have bought stuff from almost everyone here that sells anything and I have sold a couple of things, too. I have seen people go the extra mile for me, people I have never met or spoken, too, people that didn't have to do so. There are also countless people giving me advise, writing lenghty PMs, sharing their designs and ideas, spending actual time for "virtual" friends. In general people don't hold back here, they give and they share and there is nothing in return expected. This is hobbist-supporting-hobbist in its purest form for me, this is the way i perceive this forum and this is the way this community is treating me. I expect that if i ever manage to go to a LEM and meet people in person, i will start recieving marriage proposals, too. Hahaha!

Maybe people see and treat you differently, since you decided to go professional, so maybe this is the source of your "frustration"

Anyway. I know why I'm here, you know why you are here and we don't have to agree on everything

[norty303]

Mine too

I just need to source the baseplate, and it may just be worth having someone knock it all up for me if they're doing some others at the same time.

As much as I enjoyed last years builds, they took up too much time in the end, and caused additional stresses I didn't need now I look back on it.

I also think that spending a lot of money on an over engineered item is foolish unless you have a lot of work.

As much as I like my £1900 Kvant head, I can get similar output for a fraction today, less than 2 years later. And in another 2 years.... Laser shows are getting cheaper/money from promoters becoming less, so cost overhead is a real issue.

Combine that with the liking for multi projector shows and it's a no brained why I might want to have cheaper heads with a shorter shelf life.

[astatic]

I'm sorry that i go off topic, but i have to say this.

@Edison,

Why mr. Edison, why?
Why do you blame people from copying your stuff (Vjernst).
You would tell us that all that you do is invented by you and yourself only, don't make me laugh!
Well WAKE UP mr. Edison, you are the one who copies, because the laser projector was here before you saw the light.
The modules you make look pretty the same as alot of modules i see coming by on this forum.
All your knowledge came from forums like PL and Internet, so i don't think it's honest to blame people for copying your stuff, this forum is mend to share knowledge so expect that some will use the knowledge they got from each others.

[vjernst]

@ As a mather of fact i even had VJERNST here at my house that bought 2 projectors of me and i showed how i things should be done by building things together. He gave me a shitload of promises that he would support me but after the 2 projectors he never bought anything from me again.He copied my projector in terms of style dimensions etc and has at least 7 now Why? The answer is simple. Money. When you buy stuff it cost more so in the end so why not save the money and build it yourself. Just 1 of the many examples that shows when money is involved people are become a totally different person.

Mr Edison,

Now you have to apoligise to me.

From the first day that we agreed about building 2 projectors for me i told you i was gonna built a lot more myself.
I was very clear on that.
Now you blame me for copying the case that was originaly designed by another guy than you.
Besides that it's a case model used by almost all company's that sell lasers.
You say money is a reason why people don't wanna buy from you and that's correct.
This way you force me to show the members on PL the amounts that you have let me pay for the goods.
I payed a real real lot money (1350 euro each) for the CNI 1 watt 532 modules that you sold me.
I know better now and i already ordered dozens modules from other sources.
Even ordered modules for a lot others without making profit on friends.
You sold me 2 cases also for high prices.
I also bought 3 from mr willing and payed a much better price for the same design.
The 2 blue 445 1.4 watt modules that you sold me for 850 euro each have beams coming out wrong and are very bad alligned.
I asked you to built me 2 x 637 1.5 watt and you told me you could built 4 650 modules instead for 3400 euros (you also tell people in the
futere they can replace the diodes in 637 and pay a bit more)
After we had more than 1 discussion you also wanted to charge 19% VAT on the red modules
That makes the price around 4100 euros for 4 modules with a color that i dont want.
I think no one will blame me for not buying things i dont want.
I already payed you a real lot money and never had intentions to write about that on PL.
All i see is that people have thoughts about the way you act and they are right.

YOU STINK talking about me this way shows how pathetic you are

I wanna warn people to think twice before doin business with you, unless they have a real lot time to listen to your stories and wanna pay more than doubble for the goods.
They can always ask me where to buy good builts for reasonable prices
Everyone can ask around other people who know me if i'm telling the truth

VJ Ernst