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    yep what andy says , or you will alighn everything and after an hour or so and the tecs have warmed up the baseplate and mirror mounts,
    it will all be wrong again
    When God said “Let there be light” he surely must have meant perfectly coherent light.

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    Laser Warning

    Something I learned with time and projects :

    Less mirrors you have ( = less mounts you have) lower will be the power losses, and also the misalignment as there is less flexing points.

    Exemple ; (sorry guys if it's one of your project... I don't remember where I found the picture).

    Here, 8 (!) mirrors should not be there :
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIIKKKLLLL View Post
    Something I learned with time and projects :

    Less mirrors you have ( = less mounts you have) lower will be the power losses, and also the misalignment as there is less flexing points.

    Exemple ; (sorry guys if it's one of your project... I don't remember where I found the picture).

    Here, 8 (!) mirrors should not be there :
    Attachment 36910
    hi. that's a very early pic of my projector build.

    the "extra" mirrors are there quite intentionally. the beams are double bounced before hitting the dichros to ensure the vertical alignment is spot on. the alignment is actually quite stable.

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    Ok, so the mounts are there for beam height adjustment purpose. Sorry for my last post, I didn't want to criticize your work but just help Taggalucci with some advices ...

    BTW, nice abstract show . Good frames optimization, absolutely no flickering. And nice alignment too !

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    oh no offense taken

    it's absolutely a valid point that each additional mirror reduces total overall power and increases the likely hood for alignment problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by MIIKKKLLLL View Post
    Ok, so the mounts are there for beam height adjustment purpose. Sorry for my last post, I didn't want to criticize your work but just help Taggalucci with some advices ...

    BTW, nice abstract show . Good frames optimization, absolutely no flickering. And nice alignment too !
    suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.

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    if your worried about the amount of mirrors used then muti diode builds are not for you.


    Quote Originally Posted by MIIKKKLLLL View Post
    Something I learned with time and projects :

    Less mirrors you have ( = less mounts you have) lower will be the power losses, and also the misalignment as there is less flexing points.

    Exemple ; (sorry guys if it's one of your project... I don't remember where I found the picture).

    Here, 8 (!) mirrors should not be there :
    Attachment 36910
    Eat Sleep Lase Repeat

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    Hi Andy,

    Quote Originally Posted by andy_con View Post
    Yes, I've seen your builds and regularly take inspiration from your site. I'm now finally doing something about that with this build!

    Quote Originally Posted by andy_con View Post
    tec'ing each brass diode housing and dumping the heat into the module base plate which holds the mirror mounts is a bad idea.

    you want the entire module to run cool not just the diodes, it makes for better stability

    arctos, kvant and rgb all tec the entire base plate
    I plan to TEC the entire module base plate. I just plan to do it with 16 TECs placed underneath the diode blocks, BUT importantly between the module baseplate and the heat sink. If you look at my latest drawing, you'll see that the diode mounts rest directly on the module base plate. That's why I question stability concerns being raised when there are 16 dispersed TECs rather than 2 bigger ones e.g. Like a building built on 2 big piles rather than an even and spread out set of smaller piles.

    If someone can explain scientifically why this would be less stable, please chime in

    On the mirror count, I've deliberately reduced mirrors by having all 8 in "series" rather than doing 2 sets of 4 in parallel and then stacking. So I get the whole more mirrors = more alignment issues. I'm not sure where that came from!

    I appreciate all your comments and views. I'll be working through the design tonight with my industrial designer friend and will discuss your points with him for his input.

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    So your saying the tecs are going to be under the main base plate that the diodes and mirror mounts are on ?

    And if that is so with 16 tecs better make sure that baseplate and heatsink is dead flat
    As i have found in the past just using two big ones gave be problems getting good contact across both
    Let alone 16 small ones

    Quote Originally Posted by taggalucci View Post
    Hi Andy,



    Yes, I've seen your builds and regularly take inspiration from your site. I'm now finally doing something about that with this build!



    I plan to TEC the entire module base plate. I just plan to do it with 16 TECs placed underneath the diode blocks, BUT importantly between the module baseplate and the heat sink. If you look at my latest drawing, you'll see that the diode mounts rest directly on the module base plate. That's why I question stability concerns being raised when there are 16 dispersed TECs rather than 2 bigger ones e.g. Like a building built on 2 big piles rather than an even and spread out set of smaller piles.

    If someone can explain scientifically why this would be less stable, please chime in

    On the mirror count, I've deliberately reduced mirrors by having all 8 in "series" rather than doing 2 sets of 4 in parallel and then stacking. So I get the whole more mirrors = more alignment issues. I'm not sure where that came from!

    I appreciate all your comments and views. I'll be working through the design tonight with my industrial designer friend and will discuss your points with him for his input.
    When God said “Let there be light” he surely must have meant perfectly coherent light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger1666 View Post
    So your saying the tecs are going to be under the main base plate that the diodes and mirror mounts are on ?
    That's exactly my plan right now (subject to further scientific scrutiny)!

    Quote Originally Posted by badger1666 View Post
    And if that is so with 16 tecs better make sure that baseplate and heatsink is dead flat
    As i have found in the past just using two big ones gave be problems getting good contact across both
    Let alone 16 small ones
    Ultimately, this will be about the quality of machining and thermal interfacing. I want to achieve a good result in both.

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    Ok then let me put it this way
    Get yourself some digital calipers
    And measure the thickness of all you tecs
    And letme know the results
    Its going to be a mirical machining job
    If you can get good thermal contact across
    All 16 tecs
    When God said “Let there be light” he surely must have meant perfectly coherent light.

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