Originally Posted by
buffo
You conveniently forgot that The Doctor first posted a suggestion for the same thing long before I ever joined the thread. *His* suggestion is what initially set you off and spurred my reply, not my later post which you quoted above. Bottom line - we're discussing the same thing.
I didn't forget anything - you misrepresented the truth, and are continuing to do so.
Originally Posted by
buffo
Bully for you. Don't expect any reverence from people just because you did something 40 years ago and have been mum about it since. This website is for the open sharing of information and the promotion of lasers and laser shows. It's not a retirement home for washed-up has-beens to relive their glory days while breathless groupies fawn at their former greatness. If you're looking for that sort of response - go elsewhere.
Dude you're projecting - I'm not the guy that wouldn't tell you the "secrets of the brotherhood", and I honestly couldn't care less about your respect. You might consider that instead of all of those old farts holding out on you - it's YOUR attitude that's the key to your ongoing angst about your predecessors.
Originally Posted by
buffo
Nor do the other professionals (and gifted amateurs) here on PL who give their time and knowledge freely so others can enjoy the art. Those people have the respect of the entire community.
Again I say Dude - I gave of my experience doing over 3000 live shows with analog consoles and countless hours of practice - Not my fault if you’re so enamored with your own opinion that you wouldn't listen.
Originally Posted by
buffo
No, you said that labels were for dilettantes. That's not the same thing. I've done live shows using modern midi controllers, and I label the sliders. So do most operators I've worked with.
Again Dude - read the whole thread - My entire first comment was, "You don't have time in a performance to look for much less read labels. Making something accessible isn't the same thing that makes it revolutionary..."
Originally Posted by
buffo
Did you even read what was suggested? No one said anything about moving the controls any further apart. You're railing against a straw man here.
Yes - I read it - I disagreed with it - I still disagree with it – you’re going to have to step back from the personal attacks if you expect to change someone’s mind.
Originally Posted by
buffo
A better question would be, "How many canned shows have you done?" The answer to that is exactly 2. *ALL* of my other shows have been live. And while I'm no threat to Lasernet, or lightwave, or even Peachtree, I've done shows for the likes of Tiesto (twice), Paul Van Dyke, DJ Icey, Baby Anne, and even Bo Bice down in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for the troops stationed there. (That was New Year's Eve, 2011, and DZ was with me on that gig.) Seriously - apart from a corporate gig, who does pre-choreographed shows these days? Everything is live now, from your local nightclub gigs all the way to large concerts.
No, a better way to phrase the question would have been to ask, How many live shows have you done on an Analog Console? You pretended to misunderstand the intent for the sake the argument you're trying to win...
Originally Posted by
buffo
I used to use LivePro with a Novation Remote Zero controller and two monitors, one of which was a touch screen. But lately I've shifted to Beyond and an APC-40, and I think it works a lot better. I haven't found a place to print a custom label for the APC-40 though, and unlike the Remote Zero you don't have an LCD above the controls to label them in software.
If you need labels - you're holding yourself back.
Originally Posted by
buffo
About the only time I actually watch canned shows anymore is at SELEM. And even there, you'll notice that there are TWO areas set up for shows. The auditorium is for set-piece stuff that has been pre-choreographed, but the cafeteria area is strictly for live shows. Some people love to sit in the auditorium and watch shows there, and that's cool, but I spend most of my time in the cafeteria with the rest of the live show junkies. (There are a lot more projectors in there too, and far more controllers.)
So you don’t employ preprogrammed sequences of frames? Press the button labeled bridge and let it run?
Originally Posted by
buffo
False dichotomy. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's the best, and just because it's new doesn't mean it's better. There is room in the middle, which you have conveniently omitted. To wit: the old-school analog console is still cool for some live effects, but it can always be improved. Some of the best effects David and I got out of the console were accomplished by starting with a colored frame in Pangolin and then manipulating it with the console. I think if we started with an abstract instead (so we would have control over the color cycle speed) the effect would be even better.
Only if you ignore that both are fools. They’ve reached their conclusion right or wrong by relying on tradition or shiny newness. It’s not their conclusion – it’s their process.
Originally Posted by
buffo
Some of the best effects David and I got out of the console were accomplished by starting with a colored frame in Pangolin and then manipulating it with the console. I think if we started with an abstract instead (so we would have control over the color cycle speed) the effect would be even better.
And if you could actually control the Color Modulation intimately in real time it might have been mind blowing, but that part isn’t built yet.
Originally Posted by
buffo
Instead of bragging about how awesome you had to be to do these effects back in the day, why don't you share some of your experiences so others can learn?
Catch 22 – you’re so poisoned about something (real or imagined) that you’d dismiss that as bragging too.
Originally Posted by
buffo
Oh, that's right... Because you're not here to help people; you think they're supposed to struggle through it on their own. And *that* is the real reason I called you out. Notably, you haven't done anything to change anyone's mind about your intentions since then, so I'd say I pegged you pretty close to the mark.
They’re suppose to try, They’re supposed to work, They’re suppose to practice, They’re supposed to look at other people’s work and figure it out, They’re supposed to grow. They’re supposed to ask the RIGHT questions, and they’re supposed to listen. They’re supposed to think.
Originally Posted by
buffo
Enjoy your retirement...
Adam
You know - your words here betray all of the faults and arrogance that you’ve ascribed to me. Despite that, I honestly hope to see one of your shows someday and be humbled by it. It would be so nice to retire to the “home for washed-up has-beens” feeling that the future of lasers as an Art was in good hands.
"There are painters who transform the sun into a yellow spot, but there are others who, with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun." Pablo Picasso