Rigging guys... a question

[sugeek]

By truss adapters I mean the bits that go on the top of the lifts that hold the truss. For F32 you need vertical ones, for F33 and F34 you need horizontal ones.
Have you thought about getting a rigger to come and put a couple of points and chain hoists in if it's going to be used regularly? No unsightly stands then

This pretty much sums up my thoughts (I also don't like the crank up stands but that is a me thing).

-Adam

[Bradfo69]

The only problem with that is I don't own the building. It's not my business. While I could probably get permission to do something like that since I manage the place, it would be at my expense and... if I were fired tomorrow, it's not like I'd probably be able to take it with me. I already spent over $1000 personally on electrical work in the building for a laser I don't even have yet.

These are what I think I'm probably going to get:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Global-Tru...item53fe811d3f

This is what I'd really like to get but, it's a hell of a lot more money for not much more weight carrying capacity. I can't justify it right now but, I too prefer outrigger legs over tripod legs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Pair-Glo...item53feadf8fe

My vision is that the F-32 would lay flat rather than vertical - for a couple of reasons. I know the load capacity isn't that great but, that was the point of my original post. To try and figure out what the capacity might be. Trust me, if I had $8,000 to spend on truss, I'd know what to do.

[norty303]

Brad, F32 has NO rated load if used horizontally. It probably shouldn't even be used over an 32ft span with just it's own weight, let alone any load.
Buy the correct vertical adapters or don't bother doing it at all is my advice.
It's not good news but sometimes you just have to spend some money on rigging gear. The vertical adapters should not Br any more expensive than the horizontal ones. I may even have a spare pair but it may just be cheaper to get them in the States.

[Bradfo69]

Yeah... I'm there. I think this is going to go on hold for a bit.

I did find a seller with two ST132 stands and 24.6 feet of the triangle F33 truss and adapters shipped for $1260 so, that may be the route I go. Box truss is $255 more. I may also just get the stands now and hold off on the truss once there is some more available play money. Maybe I'll sell a laser or something.

[norty303]

Don't forget the stands come with T bars, so are of use on etheir own.

[Bradfo69]

I'm not certain these come with T-bars. The ones I'm looking at come with the truss adapters. I guess it's possible both will come in the box. I'm guessing that I could almost get away with using just the 6 foot pieces of I beam I already have in place of T bars for a while even though it might look a little ghetto.

I have 7 - 12' tripod stands with T bars already and two separate 10' truss rigs with crank stands so, I have a fair amount of stuff already. I just want to move up in class to better, heavier truss. It's just going to take awhile.

[norty303]

If you want to use the F32 as a t bar you will need another set of adapters, probably a 35mm to 28mm TV spigot adapter and a half coupler on a 28mm TV spigot.
I'll take some pics of mine later if that doesn't make sense. In fact I could take pics of all the adapters for single bar, F32 and F33 if you like.
All my ST132 came with a tbar

[White-Light]

All my ST132 came with a tbar

Yeah mine too. But if you're only mounting a single laser why not use an adaptor for on top of the spigot? Norty linked me to one at Thomann (I'm sure there are similar ones in the states), and its rock solid with the Kvant which weighs a lot - around 30Kg I think (I have a 2W in a 3W case). This was the one although they haven't used the best pic. The bolt in the top goes through the inverted lasers bracket and bracket and back into the spigot which has a really strong threaded socket. You then lift the laser onto the top of the St132 central column, the adapter slides over and you tighten the side handle. I was nervous at 1st but believe me its not going to go anywhere:

http://www.thomann.de/gb/km_24528.htm

If you're getting 2 x 132ST's you could put some lights on a tbar on one and the laser on its own on the other if you don't like the idea of the laser on a tbar.

The ST132's are really very very solid, very stable and they weigh an absolute ton. I tried to rock mine (without the laser on top and gave it a few firm shoves to see if it would tip) but found it very difficult to move and that was with the legs in position 2. In position 3 they go insanely wide. With weight up top is probably less stable but they are impressive for the money.

I can't comment on their suitability for carrying trussing. My only complaint if I had one is the weight. 25KGs not massive but the shape makes it awkward. So they're not the most portable out there.

[norty303]

So they're not the most portable out there.

They are by far the most portable out of the 85kg lifts I've seen.

The 'rigging on top' method only works if you have a projector that allows you to invert the bracket. certainly, inverting the whole projector only works in some cases. For me, it means the 'safe zone' for targetted beams on my scanfail board is the wrong way up. I just use the half coupler spigots and TV adaptors and short lengths of ally scaff bar.

P.S. check out Thomann maybe Brad, they do ship worldwide with fixed rates on shipping up to 30kg.

Pair of lifts with T bars and the vertical adaptors for F32
http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_...bundle_ver.htm

Pair of lifts with T bars and horizontal adaptors for F33/F34
http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_...bundle_hor.htm

Truss set with 3x 2m F33 sections
http://www.thomann.de/gb/stairville_...bundle_iii.htm

TV adapter and half coupler on 28mm spigot
http://www.thomann.de/gb/american_dj...ptor_28_mm.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/global_trus...ttv_spigot.htm

[buffo]

Brad;

If all you want to do is place a projector in the middle, why not build a small shelf near the ceiling on that front wall and set the projector on that? Gotta be cheaper than buying a shitload of truss, and you can still use tripods for the left and right flanking projectors...

Adam