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    Laser Warning 3D SLA Printer Build

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm looking to build a high resolution 3D printer and have all the parts except the show card for my xy galvo. I'm looking to be able to use a 405nm 500mw laser with ttl modulation with my 30kpps ebay galvos but did not buy a show card as I'm looking for something with at least 16 bit resolution to increase my resolution over 300mm x 300mm. A lot of sites have pointed to the 12 bit lasershark but want something more accurate due to the larger build volume.

    Any hints as to how and/or where to buy a show card would be greatly appreciated.

    (PS I live in Sydney and its a pain trying to get these things sent here)

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    ... do you have a f-theta optic with this big working area?

    I've done some experiments with fixed focus and got usable results with working areas of up to 100x100mm ... for bigger scanning ranges the cushion-distortion is bigger than the focal range, so the detail accuracy from center to the borders changes drastically.

    Viktor

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    Quote Originally Posted by VDX View Post
    ... do you have a f-theta optic with this big working area?

    I've done some experiments with fixed focus and got usable results with working areas of up to 100x100mm ... for bigger scanning ranges the cushion-distortion is bigger than the focal range, so the detail accuracy from center to the borders changes drastically.

    Viktor
    I'm looking at buying the f theta lens for that size so I'm yet to buy it as it's been quite hard to source. I'm primarily concerned with getting the 16-24 bit show card though since I can play around with the optics once I've got the laser working with the galvos. If you have any recommendations I'd love to hear them.

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    Did anyone yet sucesfull make one of these? Is there any open source software or similar for these kind of builds already?
    Is there a kit for a SLA printer with a decent build size
    Love 3D printing but wish I could get the resolution of an SLA printer. I want to buy a better 3D printer *like a kossel one* but I'm on the edge because of the seeming rise of the SLA printers.
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    I've worked on the commercial ones using HECAD in UV. UP expand the beam using a specialized scanning collimator, pass it thru a beam shaping mask, then aim into a F-Theta after the galvos. This gives you a very long working distance. You'll need a F-theta or a cheap(er) two lens approximation of one.
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    Corrected scan lenses are not that hard to build, but a true f-THETA takes a lotta math. There are some two lens, long working distance, approximations for corrected scanning that work pretty good, they just need a up-collimator ahead of the scan pair and final lens.
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    I would not try to do this device at 30 cm without optical tangent correction... Even with a low cost home-made lens quad, your still a long ways away from a commercial machine's resolution. Commercial machines now use digitally encoded optical galvo position sensors, but old machines with analog optical or capacitive position sensors kept the galvos at a slightly heated constant temperature to ensure sensor accuracy. (For those who are oldies, think GSI-120DT or G330DT galvo, where T means thermal blanket and thermistor inside the galvo)
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    US patent 5048904 is a start, but still does not fully tangent correct across a wide field. Just nobody does it that way anymore, as its hard to change the mirrors on the scanners. Asymmetric mirrors on scanners quickly wear out the bearings, too.
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    And before someone says, "Oh, I'll just correct for that in the software", I'd say don't be a fool... If it were that easy, every time I scrap a old marking system, I would not find huge arrays of the same pre-objective scanning lens scheme, even if the final objective is not F-Theta. The downside is the optics design is somewhat wavelength specific, so buying a 1064 F-theta from Ebay is not going to work that well at 405... Nor is the correction lens fitting into a small space. They always need a long optical bench in front of the scan pair, but after the laser.
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    Thorlabs now sells the near UV correction lens for galvo scanning, but they are 600$ each...
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    Your not shooting for high scan speed, and when you do the math, 12 bits is pretty good for a galvo due to some physics limits(When printing, galvo final resolution is strongly dependent on wavelength) , and 16 bits is often exceptional unless you have good optics. The OLD machines I worked on had fine and course dac chips for each galvo, with the signals summed prior to going to the amp. The scanner amps are not tuned for the very Fast ILDA 12K or 30K PPS in marking or SLA applications. They are tuned for accuracy and that both scanners have the same speed, so that exposures are equal on diagonal lines. Remember, your X and Y mirrors have different inertias in most cases.**
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    That is not hard to do, you just need a 20 Mhz dual trace oscilloscope looking at the position signalsl from the amps, and a square wave generator at 30-60 Hz. You need the scope tuning method for galvo calibration, which is in a Cambridge Technology publication. It will save you huge amounts of time instead of printing test objects. Plan to spend a lot of time printing test objects anyways.. Most older commercial machines have four precisely spaced photodiodes with a pinhole in front of them, to calibrate the scanners, under software control. A fifth PD is mounted on the tank carriage to find focal home in the Z axis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterpj View Post
    Did anyone yet sucesfull make one of these? Is there any open source software or similar for these kind of builds already?
    Is there a kit for a SLA printer with a decent build size
    Love 3D printing but wish I could get the resolution of an SLA printer. I want to buy a better 3D printer *like a kossel one* but I'm on the edge because of the seeming rise of the SLA printers.
    ... I've done some testing with cheapest chinese XY-galvos and only one focussing lens for working areas of around 100x100mm.

    Here the first prototype with a 445nm diode:
    https://vimeo.com/87801765


    ... here the second one with bigger mirrors (and servos instead of galvos for the weight) and a fiber-laser with 1070nm:
    https://vimeo.com/95512748

    This was only some testing and tinkering to "find the limits" of this cheap galvo-heads and free software ... I have some comercial ones and comercial software and drivers too, if in real need

    Viktor

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    Hi Steve,

    This post has been immensely helpful! I'm definitely aware of the fact that lenses are somewhat wavelength specific and I have been adamant in all my inquiries with sellers that the f theta lens needs to be specific to 405nm wavelength lasers.

    My plan is to make the initial prototype capable of scanning an area up to 100mm x 100mm (at the outside, probably even smaller) since there is going to be substantial beam divergence and tangential correction necessary as you said for a larger volume. I plan on having a high quality scan head and true 405nm f theta optics for my final design. I just bought the cheap ones for now so that I can try to get something working.

    I'll get in contact with Thorlabs asap too I've been looking at the commercial builds like the Lightning II one from Cambridge technology (http://www.cambridgetechnology.com/i...116&Itemid=183). I'll probably be on here quite regularly asking questions so I really hope you can point me in the right direction!

    Thanks for the insight,

    Andrew

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