Pesident Clinton

[planters]

The environment an individual functions in includes the obvious physical factors starting with gravity, weather etc, but also consists of a person's social state such as wealth and personal relationships.

The large majority of the Earth's population is substantially less intelligent than the participants on this thread (most of them...not naming names). These people can be thought of as part of the environment and to any good sociopath, government in its many forms can be a tool that influences the ebb and flow of what these people can do for you and to you.

When you say our vote does not matter, let me lay out a scenario where you might make an exception.

What if despite all the media and establishment attacks and bias that...no not Trump, but Sanders sweeps the country with OVERWHELMING popularity. This is not too far fetched.

Assume that the republicans fade with all their infighting and end up with an enfeebled Cruz as their nominee. The FBI recommends charges against Hillery and when Lynch ignores them, Comey and other senior staff resign. Calls for the arrest of Hillery come not only from the huge number of Sanders supporters, but from the disenfranchised Trump supporters and independents (formerly) as well.

Nevertheless, Hillery stumbles forward screeching at everyone to shut up and get away from her and despite a substantial (and the more substantial the better) popular vote majority for Sanders, She is elected.

Oh boy, how refreshing!

This is where these two philosophies, ie anarcho-capitalism and limited government can merge. Most people do "suck" as you will. Most are poorly educated and pretty stupid. Many are lazy. But, there are exceptions and some amazing exceptions.

Locked and loaded on your Oregon compound might work, but it would work much, much better if there were 10 of you with a mutual understanding and willingness to cooperate. Even a small community with a common goal might be helpful. The corollary is that the majority of this post-American population need to be excluded by force if necessary. Establishing some simple ground rules, ie you grow the corn and I'll dig the wells and Pat can teach the physics (we don't have to always go agrarian), will avoid confusion and misunderstanding. Those rules are the origin of government.

This apocalyptic vision is interesting, but it isn't required. The concept that self rule and consensual transfer of authority are exclusive, is false. Its just that it doesn't have to work and will almost certainly not work with stupid people.

[Laserman532]

clearly you guys didn't watch the statism video.

Planters describes a chain of events on how this corrupt manipulated system of criminals might play out...and you really WANT to be a part of this charade of lies?

In the oregon compound scenario, (because ALL OF YOU voted my rights away), they see that our compound of like minded individuals who just want to be left alone to live our lives is raided and slaughtered by mercenaries that you GRANT authority over us (but you are too dumb to realize that you did it to yourself too). Our "community" would take care of ourself and those within it. Weak links will be discovered and dealt with by community...not by some aggregate of narcissistic megalomaniacs with no souls or by robots dressed in black who have been granted "AUTHORITY" over you.

What if voting day came and NO ONE showed up? Where would all of your criminals and clowns be...

Like I said anarchy is a state of mind...if I don't live in your world (on your planet as ghost train says) I can not be held accountable for your "governments" mistakes. So you all go out and vote and when your leaders dump bombs on other countries (which they ALL will do)...YOU are responsible...I "opted out".

anarchy is piece of mind - I don't waste any energy on what your criminal leaders do, I am not in your cult

you either realize that you own yourself or you grant the right of others to own you...your choice.

[Laserman532]

STOP thinking you are smart enough to determine my fate...

[Laserman532]

Play stupid games...win stupid prizes...

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[JohnYayas]

Clearly some people do not play well with others.

[Laserman532]

Clearly some people do not play well with others.

you implied that oregon had the monopoly of crazy people and name one person (of which you know nothing about)...your statement was so stupid, the dumb hurt my hair. i dismiss you as incapable of any critical thinking skills. You try to belittle me...i go Achmed on your ass...deal with it....

[JohnYayas]

you implied that oregon had the monopoly of crazy people and name one person (of which you know nothing about)...your statement was so stupid, the dumb hurt my hair. i dismiss you as incapable of any critical thinking skills. You try to belittle me...i go Achmed on your ass...deal with it....

You say you go Achmed on me but in reality all you have and will do is throw some insults and profanity my way. Talk is pretty cheap and it seems like a bunch of cheap talk how you say you are an anarchist. I don't think a true anarchist would be openly proclaiming it on the internet. Perhaps it would be better to prefix "I wish" in front of you comments. "ie I wish I was an anarchist. I wish I could F the police. I wish I could kill you. I wish I could go Achmed on you." Because, I truly do believe that you wish you could do those things but in reality you're just like the rest of us... going by the rules, taking advantage of government provided infrastructure, etc. So, while I respect your beliefs and desires, such as being able to do whatever you please, I think you are just talking crap about doing any of it.

As far as Gavin Seim goes, I have been following him for months, if not years... well before he helped out with the Bundy situation. For some odd reason the whole libertarian/cop block thing intrigues me and I have been following a lot of those websites, YouTube channels, and public information. I actually do know a lot about Gavin Seim, at least what is publically available. And, I have noticed a trend that a lot of those people are up and around the Oregon area. Maybe it is because it is so lily white up there that you have no other problems to deal with so you make up whatever you can. Beats me. I truly don't get it or their mentality but I have my suspicious that the majority of them are paranoid potheads that don't have a grip on reality. That's just a hunch, though.

As far as me belittling you goes... I could sit back and say nothing or I can try to engage you. As I said, people like you intrigue me... I wonder what makes you tick, or not tick, depending on your point of view. I'm no more belittling you then you are belittling everyone else. But, I do give you the advantage knowing going in that I think you are a bit out of touch so that you can respond appropriately without feeling that you were trapped into some conversation when I later reveal as much.

When an insane person accuses me of not being capable of critical thinking I just kind of shrug by the way. You are the one who is against the grain here so if I am not capable of critical thinking, most people aren't either. Anyone capable of critical thinking should be able to evaluate the odds of who is out of whack and who isn't.

[JohnYayas]

Excellent way to highlight the 'main problem' with this whole thread-topic / 99% of Americans, these days.. there should-be no 'grain' we are FORCED to go with! Far, far too many are 'Eyes Wide Shut' - they can SEE, in plain sight, SO much of how things have been hijacked / are-corrupt, far beyond 'voting / protest repair' / How-bad we've been lied-to / duped / groped / raped of nearly All our Rights, etc.. Yet most are - mentally - Blind, to how things Really are / where we're being 'led' (or, forced.. (TSA, IRS, etc, etc..) ..Not saying You're not 'capable of critical thinking', but.. There sure isn't much going on, these days, relative to this whole 'puppet show' / in-the context of This thread / topic.

Forget what you 'think of Alex'.. Just read the Headlines / Facts of what just took place there in CO / what that 'implies', for this "Election": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0_6OmY6_Xc ..kinda O_O doncha think?

Unless we can - All - Unite / wake Others up / DO something radical (like NO ONE files / pays Taxes (probably too-late for that, tho..) a 10-million people March on Washington, etc..) / TAKE a Stand.. We're ed.

..then again, Some people Like a jail cell..

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j

No one is forced to go with the grain. It is a free country and people can choose to go with it or not. Most people understand the benefits and don't feel like they are doing something they don't want to do. Sure, some people might want to go 100mph down the highway. They can if they want and can pay if they get caught. Most don't want to go 100mph. Most are happy going somewhere around the speed limit. You're making it sound like we are in some North Korea state where people are scared to speak out or not bow down to the president. That isn't the case at all. Maybe you or some others do feel that is the case for you. Maybe that is where your heartburn is. Me, I am quite happy with the majority of things. I accept that their is corruption in government. I understand that it is nothing more than a huge business. But, at the end of the day, I give them something and they give something back to me. I have plenty to live on and am quite happy. Maybe you're going "Oh wow, the government really has the wool pulled over this guy's eyes." Maybe they do... but I don't mind it. I've been in the military so I know what it is like to actually NOT have freedom and to really be told what to do. My current life seems nothing like that. How was your military experience and how does it compare to the freedoms you have now?

[Laserman532]

DSLI_JON - yep...on point...He (JY) didn't watch the video either...conform or be discredited in public, be a good little flag waving, voter and you are a slave for life...but you trying to explain that to a mind controlled career "military man" is futile at best...order followers have no other way of survival, they follow orders and give orders to make them feel accepted by daddy (gov, schools, police, military, so forth).

I will respond to his character assignation later...because I have to go out and breath some fresh air, smoke some good pot, and allow my free mind to explore the beauty of lily white Oregon.........i mean...go move mulch...

[Laserman532]

Really? I assume (and this is a rhetorical question, not prying into your personal business.. you've Filed / Payed your Taxes? Why?? It's Voluntary, ya know? States-so right in the Tax-code. BUT if you Don't file / pay.. Why not? Cause you *choose* not to.. or because of the Threat of the 'consequences'? Is it Truly 'Freedom' if your "choices" are - in the end - Do or Die? (or, jail, etc)

What about the 'TSA'? 'Then take the train'? Pff.. That's a FORCED choice, Not Freedom.. 'OK, fine, I'll consent to the xray / pat-down, because, hey - there jsut *might* be some guy trying to sneak a binary on my flight, so, yeah, ok.. Now I feel 'safer'.. But, wait.. What? I can't take the SEALED bottle of Water I JUST BOUGHT, outside the "security line", and would be more than happy to demonstrate that it's NOT nitro or ful of ricin, etc by Drinking some??! Why Not??'.. Again, a FORCED choice. (and, based on some pretty terrible Lies / subterfuge, I might add..

There is *so much* so-called "Freedom" in this country that is Just like in the 'purification' scene near the end of 'Braveheart'.. 'Confess, and you shall recieve mercy' (a 'quick' death by beheading.. not much of a 'good choice') ..Confess-Not, and you shall recieve your purification by Pain (then, it was torture, for Us, it's 'penalties', shut-offs, etc, and eventually, jail..) Yes, these are 'metaphors', but.. Can you see ALL the 'parallels' we suffer, here? I sure do..

..Seriously, Take the time to Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ebudnWlh4 .. It's very logical and thought provoking, if nothing else. (and I, for one, think it's Dead-on..)

j

LOLOL again! ON POINT...be careful...order followers can't comprehend freedom...it is foreign to their programming...either that, or you are a tin foil hatter!!!!

taxation is theft...pay up or i put you in a rape cage with my personal army...hehe