Pesident Clinton

[Eidetic]

She's the only qualified candidate. Besides, I support Bernie and he supports her.

[logsquared]

The purely libertarian point of view has some appeal, but like a 10W,$10, red, single mode diode laser, it doesn't exist.

I understand. I guess I wold agree with that. My hope would be that the Libertarians could someday replace the Republicans. I believe the debate between Libertarians and Liberals could potentially make better policy. Just dreaming, I know. I have given up hope on the republicans.

Furthermore, he cannot win and it really is about winning and not just making a statement.

I disagree here. "Winning" is gonna take longer than one election cycle IMO. Think about it... Who has the most to gain from perpetuating the idea that voting for an independent is a wasted vote? Voting IS a statement.

Regarding Hillary, do you believe she is sick enough that it will remove her from the campaign before the election? Even if you feel it is not likely, what do you think her party should/would do if that happened?

As others have posted, I'm not buying the conspiracy theory's on this one. Even if she is sick, as long as she makes it through the debates and doesn't keel over before election day they won't replace her.

[planters]

She's the only qualified candidate.

This is not true. You may not support him, but he is qualified. If he were not, the Republicans and the Democrats (with the MSM) would have used this to eliminate him.

I support Bernie and he supports her.

OK, that is a reasonable justification.

My hope would be that the Libertarians could someday replace the Republicans.

I agree here. I wish Republicans would replace the "Republicans" and maybe they will. I'll bet everyone here, including me and even those that support HRC, supports Trump for this one issue; he has made mince meat out of the Republican establishment and hopefully signed their death warrant. I only wish Bernie could have done the same to the Democrat establishment.

As others have posted, I'm not buying the conspiracy theory's on this one. Even if she is sick, as long as she makes it through the debates and doesn't keel over before election day they won't replace her.

I wouldn't call it a conspiracy. It's just a possibility. But, I hope they don't either. She is their nominee. They should win or loose with her.

[Eidetic]

Confidence is not qualification. He sells confidence, those looking to justify other agendas may buy it, but that doesn't give him the experience, talent, knowledge, or temperament required of the position. And on top of that, he's in an obvious conflict of interest that he hides (for now) by hiding his tax returns.

[planters]

Confidence is not qualification.

It is also not a disqualification.

that doesn't give him the experience, talent, knowledge, or temperament required of the position.

No, confidence does not give him that. These qualities are independent of confidence. In my opinion, MY OPINION, he has these qualities while also in my opinion she does not, but that does not disqualify her. I don't want to focus too much on semantics, but when you use the term disqualify it is not the same as saying you don't think he would make a good president.

those looking to justify other agendas may buy it

This brings up a good point and I have said it before. No one likes HRC. Her support comes from support of the Democratic agenda. What I would like to see is a defense of that agenda rather than ad hominem attacks of a candidate's personality.

[swamidog]

It is also not a disqualification.



No, confidence does not give him that. These qualities are independent of confidence. In my opinion, MY OPINION, he has these qualities while also in my opinion she does not, but that does not disqualify her. I don't want to focus too much on semantics, but when you use the term disqualify it is not the same as saying you don't think he would make a good president.




This brings up a good point and I have said it before. No one likes HRC. Her support comes from support of the Democratic agenda. What I would like to see is a defense of that agenda rather than ad hominem attacks of a candidate's personality.

that is incorrect. there are quite a large number of people (including myself) that like HRC... even if there wasn't, i'm less concerned about likability and more concerned about doing what's right for the country.

your opinion that trump has the experience, talent, knowledge, and temperament necessary for the job while HRC doesn't is hard to reconcile with any known reality.

[dkumpula]

your opinion that trump has the experience, talent, knowledge, and temperament necessary for the job while HRC doesn't is hard to reconcile with any known reality.

+1!

If we weren't talking about the most powerful elected position on the planet, I'd consider those that think Donald qualified laughable. This is the guy that consistently believes outlandish conspiracy theories and propagates new ones regularly. Its nearly something new every week from this guy. A quick list of mostly recent conspiracies:

• If PA doesn't vote for him despite having lost to Dems for the past 6 presidential elections, it must be rigged.
• Ted Cruz's father was involved in the JFK's assassination
• Mitt Romney isn't a mormon
• Obama wasn't born in the US
• He's audited by the IRS because he's a Christian
• Scailia may not have died of natural causes
• He can't get a fair trial from someone who is descended from first generation immigrants
• Defense secretary Gates "probably has a problem that we don't know about", HRC is deathly ill.

C'mon! Even without the scary belief in every incredible or dismissive conspiracy, the president (without approval of congress) has a huge nuclear arsenal at his/her command. All they have to do is make one call to a man who says his job is to do what the POTUS tells him to. Please recall that Donald said he'd consider using nuclear arms against our NATO allies. He has been quoted supporting Putin numerous times and even Kim Jong-Un on some fronts. How could one not believe that international policy would quickly become a mine-field for everyone and that we would see the rebirth of the Soviet Union within four years at the loss of democratic nation-states throughout Eastern Europe. Let's not even bother going into domestic policy from an open racist that tricks hours of news coverage of his new hotel. C'mon!

Having a crazy, harmless uncle with Trump's personality is one thing. Having him as POTUS is another thing completely. For those that say "he will grow into the job" - I ask "what has he done to redeem himself over the past year?" Anytime he isn't reading directly from a teleprompter, its another 'video at 11' moment.

Hillary isn't a shiny-new candidate, but she has more experience (length and varied exposure) than any president since the birth of this nation. She may not be perfect, but I'd sleep well knowing she wasn't going to nuke Canada or some other ally over something stupid.

[planters]

If PA doesn't vote for him despite having lost to Dems for the past 6 presidential elections, it must be rigged

Mitt Romney isn't a mormon

He's audited by the IRS because he's a Christian

Defense secretary Gates "probably has a problem that we don't know about"

He can't get a fair trial from someone who is descended from first generation immigrants

he'd consider using nuclear arms against our NATO allies

an open racist

Now, that's what I was hoping to see, content. Can you link to these? I would like to see the context for these statements.

Hillary isn't a shiny-new candidate, but she has more experience

So, did Nixon. Experience at failure is not an asset.

that is incorrect. there are quite a large number of people (including myself) that like HRC

OK, what do you like about her?

[dkumpula]

Can you link to these? I would like to see the context for these statements.

I know you watch/read enough news enough to have seen each of these in their full context (as have we all). Not to mention Donald generally "doubles-down" on this most ridiculous statements/conspiracies regularly. Have we not all seen him just do so with the whole "Hillary started the birther controversy"? Even Fox News has been screaming BS to this. The only context Donald has for these statements is even more incredible statements. Take his statements on Defense Secretary Gates: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/birtheri...-conspiracies/ His further context for Gates (who had recently published a statement saying Trump is unfit for the office) after "he must have a problem" includes "He's a nasty guy" and "He's a clown" and "a mess". I submit that there is no additional context that would help Donald. It is simple dismissal tactics for anyone who doesn't blindly agree with him. Its the same pattern he's run for decades regarding the press he's received. Look at his long term rivalry with Rosy O'Donnell. This is the man you claim to be competent for POTUS?!

So, did Nixon. Experience at failure is not an asset.

Nixon (despite being a terrible douche and guilty of at least some minor crimes) accomplished a ton in office. Do you like breathable air? Thanks, Nixon for creating the EPA, Clean Water Act and Mammal Marine Protection Act.! Ending the draft? Thanks, Nixon! Holding Vietnam together (until it collapsed days after his leaving office.)? Like desegregated public schools? Thanks, Nixon. Like women being able to get into college as easy as men? Thanks, Nixon. Like to vote at 18 instead of 21? Thanks, Nixon. Like the demise of much of organized crime of the day? Thanks, Nixon. Like the stop of forced assimilation of Native Americans and return of their sacred land? Thanks, Nixon!

Hillary is not as unlikable as Nixon, but she is extremely qualified for the position. We need a competent leader a heck of a lot more than we need the entertainment provided by the real-life reality show that Donald is staring in.

[planters]

I know you watch/read enough news enough to have seen each of these in their full context (as have we all).

Then, it should be easy for you to link to them.

His further context for Gates (who had recently published a statement saying Trump is unfit for the office) after "he must have a problem" includes "He's a nasty guy" and "He's a clown" and "a mess".

Biden had a few things to say about Gates as well. This is why I asked you to link. Secretary Gates IS a mess and a clown. Donald is right!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...out-everything

Hillary is not as unlikable as Nixon

Hillary is as foul mouthed and much more unlikable than Nixon. But, it was Nixon's transgression of the law that was the basis of his undoing. Hillary has a great deal more experience with flouting the law.

your opinion that trump has the experience, talent, knowledge, and temperament necessary for the job while HRC doesn't is hard to reconcile with any known reality.

This is a vacuous statement. I give it a -1, so you're at zero. How many realities do you think there are? Three? Forty four, or one for each human being? If you said in your reality then that's OK, but a much less grandiose claim.

OK, what do you like about her?

Again.