Brexit

[swamidog]

Were you wearing your burqa? I thought I might have seen you, but I wasn't sure, as there were so many and to a man all sheep look alike or so its said.

i don't have a burqa, but i wore robes in the mosque as a sign of respect and manners.

[norty303]

We had pretty much all of the issues Whitelight describes prior to the latest mass immigration. Our issues with the NHS are due to mismanagement and waste and a desire to kill it and prove it a failure than it is due to any strain from the migrant population. They sell us the lie, and people lap it up. In my lifetime, the NHS has always had funding and waiting list issues.

There is work if people want it here, but I get the impression people would rather find the excuse not to and point the finger elsewhere. Sectors of UK are good at that, and have been for generations.

I don't know if any of you have seen it, but there are videos of exit voters today saying they didn't really mean it and they thought they could change their mind. There are also correlations between education levels and likelihood to vote remain.

Either way, it looks like whatever resolution we end up with for trade, we may not be able to negotiate away the free movement clause. Which is good, because we have a growing generation who really should be afforded the ability to study or work throughout the EU.

[dchammonds]

Look at it this way- while in the EU, the UK sent many unaccounted and unrepresented pounds to Brussels; now it seems that Brussels stands to lose enough pounds to make Richard Simmons blush...

[White-Light]

We had pretty much all of the issues Whitelight describes prior to the latest mass immigration. Our issues with the NHS are due to mismanagement and waste and a desire to kill it and prove it a failure than it is due to any strain from the migrant population. They sell us the lie, and people lap it up. In my lifetime, the NHS has always had funding and waiting list issues.

There is work if people want it here, but I get the impression people would rather find the excuse not to and point the finger elsewhere. Sectors of UK are good at that, and have been for generations.

I don't know if any of you have seen it, but there are videos of exit voters today saying they didn't really mean it and they thought they could change their mind. There are also correlations between education levels and likelihood to vote remain.

Either way, it looks like whatever resolution we end up with for trade, we may not be able to negotiate away the free movement clause. Which is good, because we have a growing generation who really should be afforded the ability to study or work throughout the EU.

I disagree with Norty here. The NHS and services have never been worse. Just setting aside funding, at my doctors you used to be able to get an appointment same day by simply telephoning. There are more doctors than ever and now it's 2-6 weeks for a non urgent appointment (ie you're not likely to die if not seen), depending on whether you want to see a student doctor or one of the popular experienced partners. An increasing number of people attending and registering are European immigrants, usually Polish, although large numbers of Romanians are in the UK as well.

A few years ago it was easy to get a job, plenty around and very little competition. Now there's hardly any jobs, they're nearly all part time around 16 hours per week and many jobs receive 50-150 applicants, even really menial ones. A good example is a supermarket job here, although this is full time which helps explain the application numbers:

Customer Service Assistant at Lidl Supermarkets - 100+ applications (the site stops counting at 100!):

http://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/customer-...?fulltime=True

That's for a job at £15,444 per year, just a little over minimum wage. The UK average wage is £25,000.

I'm not quite sure what Norty is implying by saying that there's a correlation between education levels and voting! I'd disagree although not entirely. Whilst it's true the leave campaign inspired the working classes to vote out, it's equally true to say they're the ones most affected by immigration. The really clever ones though are the one's who can see what's really happening behind the scenes and the underlying agendas the rich have. What the vote does show is an interesting breakdown by age, the young voted in and the old out. Again this can be explained though by the fact that many of the young have never experienced a Britain where the Union was purely based on trade and not political union.

[Draco]

The biggest thing I have a problem with the EU is the lack accountability and the attitude that the governing body in the EU seem to believe they know better then the common person and have the right to rule over them with out any transparency or accountability to the people they are governing over, it should be the other way around, in truth there is no higher class that has some imagined birth right to rule over other people with out accountability. and for the CE mark to me that's a valueless mark, at lest with some other certs like Underwriters UL, you had to submit an item to them to prove that it meets the guide lines, when i worked for a medical maker we never had to do that for a CE mark, it was a friken joke, for the UL rating we had to submit product for destructive and regulatory testing, the CE never had us do that.
I also have no love for big government and that's what the EU is, my family is from Wales and Scotland and immigrated to the USA a while ago. There will be some uncertainty for the UK but i do believe they should have never even joined the EU in the first place, it's a system that ultimately will fail in time. As with the stock market, it will recover. Just give it time.
Part of our immigration things have been solved here for illegals, our supreme court over ruled obama on making a few million illegal immigrates legal, i have no problem with immigration as long as the correct course is taken and not just running across the desert, obama wanted there votes for his unpopular views, i have always viewed him as one of the fucks that believe they know better and be liberal with other peoples stuff and there own rules don't apply to them, but that's off topic.

Now for the mention on the lead free solder, i hate the stuff, it's harder to work with and less reliable even with strict quality control. I don't use it my self and never plan on it unless i have an employer that requires it, ever heard of tin whiskers? that's even worse in lead free stuff and i have found that you can never make the tree huger's happy, nothing if ever enough for some of them, hell they now protest wind power because some birds hit the blades, last week i saw some moron in a full size pickup truck that maby gets 7mpg with an anti turbine sticker in his window, but i suppose he is happy inhaling the stuff from coal fired power plants and well his truck as well

[neskusen]

Now for the mention on the lead free solder, i hate the stuff, it's harder to work with and less reliable even with strict quality control. I don't use it my self and never plan on it unless i have an employer that requires it, ever heard of tin whiskers?

+1
When I was first starting learning to solder for hobby projects I asked many people whether there was any benefit with the lead-free mixes other than environmental. The responses were basically it depends on the solder job. I don't now if it's RoHS propaganda or really true but I've yet to need to use anything but 60/40. Big or small, surface mounts, the traditional mix has worked fine with all of them.

Interestingly many products which come from China include laser projectors have a RoHS sign on them but my soldering iron tells me its regular lead mix.

How do they verify if it is RoHS complaint btw, do they make inspections in the factories? Disassemble the units and break the warranty? Or do they do nothing?

[Draco]

Generally in my experience the lead free solder joints lack the shiny luster of the lead based solder and when soldering on stuff that is lead free the leaded based solder work just fine mixed in with if it is truly lead free, i do suspect that the RoHS stuff from china may not be in compliance with RoHS.
Leaded mixed with lead free has never caused me any problems and i doubt would be detectable on a warranty based issue. when i was authorized by LG,Samsung and Mitsubishi they never told us that we had to use lead free with there lead free solder, they seem to mix just fine. When i did inspection on the lead free stuff it was frustrating, it just looked horrible and made it harder to detect quality problems related to poor soldering. the eutectic phase of lead free solder is wider and can some times make what looks like a ring crack or bad soldering but still passable, it was just a surface imperfection but still had always made me suspect it was bad, i think some of the more common solder failure with ball grid array ic's may be due to it being lead free, it does contract slightly more then lead solder does and if the pcb is not made for it then you may have problems, the solder pads on the board should be made more rugged for the added mechanical stress of the solder shrinking when cooling down but not every maker does that

[mixedgas]

PJ, Do NOT migrate to the USA, especially Oklahoma, unless you have a College degree completed.

Uncle Steve...

[dnar]

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[planters]

I disagree with Norty here.

The biggest thing I have a problem with the EU is the lack accountability and the attitude that the governing body in the EU seem to believe they know better then the common person and have the right to rule over them

The NHS and other services provided by government and paid for by taxes are not going to improve if the demand increases and the tax revenue does not. Whether or not these services were lacking in the past is irrelevant. The current situation is going to be negatively impacted with the influx of needy and less productive immigrants. The same equation applies to job availability and the overall situation is true in every country where this pressure is applied, including the USA.

I believe the widespread lack of accountability of the EU was not an unfortunate accident. It was the plan. These bureaucrats enjoyed privilege and power and the large corporations that benefited from the intrusive regulations supported this system.

Of course the EU was sold and promoted as this wonderful solution, but as the effects of all of these insiders pulling cookies from the jar over the years have accumulated, it has become clear that the benefits do not outweigh the costs.

Why should PJ or dnar have to flee their countries because their governments are allowing foreign, especially hostel foreigners to enter theirs? This is insane. The British saw this. Trump supporters see this in the USA and other European countries are considering this as well.

The pendulum is beginning the return stroke. For 40 plus years the socialists and the globalists have had the advantage of support from media, entertainment and government insiders. We on the other side have had to work twice as hard and be twice as smart just to be heard and even then were ridiculed. I expect the opposition will be shrill.

This will be a very interesting year.