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    "Solar Prominence lll" A new synergistic approach to Laser Lumia
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    Audio/Lumia synergy - Theory.

    Well....Time to add my 02 cents !!! I have long thought that we need a new approach to a coupling between music and Laser display. I believe that music is the more powerful force in generating raw emotion.....and the addition of Laser display amplifies and compliments that emotional response.
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    SO...assuming the above is true...my thoughts turned to Lumia display vs. abstract generation, traditional beam or graphic display as the additional Laser display method to be coupled with music. In my opinion...Lumia is akin to " Visual Gregorian Chant ". One can view Lumia...but...not really focus on the pattern changes. The patterns vary...but in many ways remain similar. But yet, on some subliminal level,...the Lumia display is recognized and has a therapeutic impact and value. Although Laser Lumia is surly visual eye candy, I speculate it does not demand the level of concentration that other Laser display art does.
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    So...now...if the above is true....Lumia display that is coupled with audio music content would allow the music content to take centre stage....but...still allow Laser Lumia a powerful synergistic impact....to raise the overall emotional response...to a value greater than the individual value of the addition of the two components ( Music + Lumia )...= Synergy.
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    Audio/Lumia synergy - Applied practice
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    About 6 months ago....I started building a Lumia machine... and at the same time I began talking with the fine folks at Foxtone and Sweetwater Music...suppliers of Synthesizer equipment. My goal has been to have the link between the music and the Lumia display...to occur on an automatic, yet controllable platform. I envisioned that the music content would enter the system...and the Lumia RGB would react...without intervention.
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    To this end, I purchased a Eurorack Sound envelope follower and a LVO ADSR envelope modifier. My goal is to have a sonic event be connected to a single channel of an RGB Lumia generator. SO....I want a single channel of the RGB....say...the RED line, to be automatically coupled to the source audio....and be a function of the music amplitude ( volume). The Blue and Green line will be adjustable in output....but not linked to the audio content. The test unit is set up so that either the Red, Green or Blue can be the..."accent color". When an audio change event occurs...whichever R,G or B....responds in power output....But in a special way !!
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    IMNSHO...it is very critical, as my interpretation of what the nature of Laser Lumia should be is .....SMOOTH....NO quick changes in display intensity !! So...if the music sound volume has a rapid ramp up/increase....the "accent color" follows suite....but in a smooth response. This is where the ADSR unit comes into play. This unit accept the Envelope follower unit CV input and then modifies the sonic envelope output, thereby changing the ADSR signature. ADSR stands for " Attack, Decay, Sustain and Release "
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    The desired sequence of Music~Laser intensity coupling is not a one to one rate.....but an " elastic " coupling. Let's say that if there is a rapid increase in the music sound level, the Laser output will respond...but...slowly....following the volume / amplitude....with a much slower response....and a much longer sustained display/reply. So...the Laser output will follow a modified audio ADSR envelope....and will modulate in a much more extended response.
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    System audio path as follows;
    Audio/Music signal into the Euro Rack Envelope Follower
    Envelope Follower signal into the LVO ADSR unit
    Modified audio sonic envelope into the LSP Driver units
    LSP Driver units modulate the R,G or B LD output level as a function of audio amplitude.
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    System Laser section
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    LD compliment consisting of Dual 63196 Red, Single NUBM07E Blue and Single NUMB01T Green. IMNSHO....these are great lines and will have a combined output over 5W. Standard Dichroic combining. The beam propagation is adjusted to very, very slightly off-axis alignment. The result is a generation of several colors...outside the constraint of only Red, Green and Blue. Disclaimer: This set-up was suggested to me by DSLI Jon. The idea is that in the central section of the beam arrangement, a color blending will occur. Blended gradations appear in various proportions/colors. On the mid to outer section annulus, pure R,G and B is distinct.
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    Lumia Distortion section
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    Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to discuss the details of this section due to proprietary commitments. I will say that dual Lumia distortion disc's are employed and that the RPM speed is greatly reduced. The resulting Lumia patterns are quite beautiful and remind me of pictures of Solar prominence. In the area of Lumia generation, my path has been greatly advanced and schooled by Clickamouse ( Mike Gould ) for which I am greatly appreciative !!!
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    Conclusion
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    The end goal for all this is a new approach to Lumia display which is linked to music content. A system engineered to deliver a degree of Laser Lumia effect, but that effectively coupled, in an " elastic " relationship, to any audio musical content.
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    When I get closer to testing all the section/systems I will publish some pictures...and likely a video. I do not know if such an approach to a Audio=>Lumia display will work or has been tried before ?????? Laser Lumia...by its very nature is slow, unfolding and graceful !!! I want to preserve that graceful quality of Lumia yet add/link the power of music to it.
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    The Eurorack units have many, many patch possibilities and have many control dials. In a fashion....one will be able to control/modify the ADSR sound envelope. All these controls on the Eurorack units will deliver a great amount of diversity in selecting the nature of the ADSR envelope modification that is feed into the LSP drivers. ....which in turn modifies the Laser Lumia display...SOooo...this set up is a " Controllable Laser Lumia "
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    I want to sit back...truly enjoy the music...and appreciate the linked Laser Lumia display. I do not want the Laser display to distract, in any way, from the sonic beauty and wonder that is so valuable and appreciated !!! I want the Laser Lumia to be...well...a visual....delayed, sustained echo of the audio/music content. I am hopeful, this system can deliver that synergy of Music + Laser Lumia. Work continues on the project. Wish me Luck !
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    very interested to see what you've made..

    "will say that dual Lumia distortion disc's are employed and that the RPM speed is greatly reduced. The resulting Lumia patterns are quite beautiful and remind me of pictures of Solar prominence."

    this sounds a lot like the lumia eggbeater i made and posted about a few years ago

    http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...804#post173804

    try making a series of different sized bubbles and indentions on your disks with a torch. that gives you the best galaxy / magnetic flux line effects.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CDBEAM View Post
    "Solar Prominence lll" A new synergistic approach to Laser Lumia
    .
    Audio/Lumia synergy - Theory.

    Well....Time to add my 02 cents !!! I have long thought that we need a new approach to a coupling between music and Laser display. I believe that music is the more powerful force in generating raw emotion.....and the addition of Laser display amplifies and compliments that emotional response.
    .
    SO...assuming the above is true...my thoughts turned to Lumia display vs. abstract generation, traditional beam or graphic display as the additional Laser display method to be coupled with music. In my opinion...Lumia is akin to " Visual Gregorian Chant ". One can view Lumia...but...not really focus on the pattern changes. The patterns vary...but in many ways remain similar. But yet, on some subliminal level,...the Lumia display is recognized and has a therapeutic impact and value. Although Laser Lumia is surly visual eye candy, I speculate it does not demand the level of concentration that other Laser display art does.
    .
    So...now...if the above is true....Lumia display that is coupled with audio music content would allow the music content to take centre stage....but...still allow Laser Lumia a powerful synergistic impact....to raise the overall emotional response...to a value greater than the individual value of the addition of the two components ( Music + Lumia )...= Synergy.
    .
    Audio/Lumia synergy - Applied practice
    .
    About 6 months ago....I started building a Lumia machine... and at the same time I began talking with the fine folks at Foxtone and Sweetwater Music...suppliers of Synthesizer equipment. My goal has been to have the link between the music and the Lumia display...to occur on an automatic, yet controllable platform. I envisioned that the music content would enter the system...and the Lumia RGB would react...without intervention.
    .
    To this end, I purchased a Eurorack Sound envelope follower and a LVO ADSR envelope modifier. My goal is to have a sonic event be connected to a single channel of an RGB Lumia generator. SO....I want a single channel of the RGB....say...the RED line, to be automatically coupled to the source audio....and be a function of the music amplitude ( volume). The Blue and Green line will be adjustable in output....but not linked to the audio content. The test unit is set up so that either the Red, Green or Blue can be the..."accent color". When an audio change event occurs...whichever R,G or B....responds in power output....But in a special way !!
    .
    IMNSHO...it is very critical, as my interpretation of what the nature of Laser Lumia should be is .....SMOOTH....NO quick changes in display intensity !! So...if the music sound volume has a rapid ramp up/increase....the "accent color" follows suite....but in a smooth response. This is where the ADSR unit comes into play. This unit accept the Envelope follower unit CV input and then modifies the sonic envelope output, thereby changing the ADSR signature. ADSR stands for " Attack, Decay, Sustain and Release "
    .
    The desired sequence of Music~Laser intensity coupling is not a one to one rate.....but an " elastic " coupling. Let's say that if there is a rapid increase in the music sound level, the Laser output will respond...but...slowly....following the volume / amplitude....with a much slower response....and a much longer sustained display/reply. So...the Laser output will follow a modified audio ADSR envelope....and will modulate in a much more extended response.
    .
    System audio path as follows;
    Audio/Music signal into the Euro Rack Envelope Follower
    Envelope Follower signal into the LVO ADSR unit
    Modified audio sonic envelope into the LSP Driver units
    LSP Driver units modulate the R,G or B LD output level as a function of audio amplitude.
    .
    System Laser section
    .
    LD compliment consisting of Dual 63196 Red, Single NUBM07E Blue and Single NUMB01T Green. IMNSHO....these are great lines and will have a combined output over 5W. Standard Dichroic combining. The beam propagation is adjusted to very, very slightly off-axis alignment. The result is a generation of several colors...outside the constraint of only Red, Green and Blue. Disclaimer: This set-up was suggested to me by DSLI Jon. The idea is that in the central section of the beam arrangement, a color blending will occur. Blended gradations appear in various proportions/colors. On the mid to outer section annulus, pure R,G and B is distinct.
    .
    Lumia Distortion section
    .
    Unfortunately, I am not at liberty to discuss the details of this section due to proprietary commitments. I will say that dual Lumia distortion disc's are employed and that the RPM speed is greatly reduced. The resulting Lumia patterns are quite beautiful and remind me of pictures of Solar prominence. In the area of Lumia generation, my path has been greatly advanced and schooled by Clickamouse ( Mike Gould ) for which I am greatly appreciative !!!
    .
    Conclusion
    .
    The end goal for all this is a new approach to Lumia display which is linked to music content. A system engineered to deliver a degree of Laser Lumia effect, but that effectively coupled, in an " elastic " relationship, to any audio musical content.
    .
    When I get closer to testing all the section/systems I will publish some pictures...and likely a video. I do not know if such an approach to a Audio=>Lumia display will work or has been tried before ?????? Laser Lumia...by its very nature is slow, unfolding and graceful !!! I want to preserve that graceful quality of Lumia yet add/link the power of music to it.
    .
    The Eurorack units have many, many patch possibilities and have many control dials. In a fashion....one will be able to control/modify the ADSR sound envelope. All these controls on the Eurorack units will deliver a great amount of diversity in selecting the nature of the ADSR envelope modification that is feed into the LSP drivers. ....which in turn modifies the Laser Lumia display...SOooo...this set up is a " Controllable Laser Lumia "
    .
    I want to sit back...truly enjoy the music...and appreciate the linked Laser Lumia display. I do not want the Laser display to distract, in any way, from the sonic beauty and wonder that is so valuable and appreciated !!! I want the Laser Lumia to be...well...a visual....delayed, sustained echo of the audio/music content. I am hopeful, this system can deliver that synergy of Music + Laser Lumia. Work continues on the project. Wish me Luck !
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    YES !!!!!Dual Distortion disc's....but BOTH rotating CL...to keep things....S L O W and graceful !!! We have just scratched the surface of Laser Lumia potential !!! CDB
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    Note: As far as the technique of modifying the Distortion Disc...The "Master of Distortion" and my mentor in this area remains Clickamouse....BUT... I luv the idea of large variation in bubble size to greatly increase the organic/rich variation in Lumia patterns...thanx SD



    Quote Originally Posted by swamidog View Post
    very interested to see what you've made..

    "will say that dual Lumia distortion disc's are employed and that the RPM speed is greatly reduced. The resulting Lumia patterns are quite beautiful and remind me of pictures of Solar prominence."

    this sounds a lot like the lumia eggbeater i made and posted about a few years ago

    http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...804#post173804

    try making a series of different sized bubbles and indentions on your disks with a torch. that gives you the best galaxy / magnetic flux line effects.


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    Beam Axiom #1 ~The Quantum well is DEEP ! Photons for ALL !!
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    Beam Axiom #2 ~Yes...As a matter of fact...I DO wear tinfoil on my head !!
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    Beam Axiom #4 ~A Chicken in every Pot, and a Laser Lumia in every Livingroom !!
    .
    Beam Axiom #5 ~"Abstract Photonic Expressionism"....is "Abstractonimical" !!
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    Beam Axiom #6 ~ "A Posse ad Essea" ~ From being possible to being actual ...is the beam target !

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    Dan....YES...Yes to audio multi-frequency variation....But...I want much more....say a frequency response of many, many bands...corresponding to a preselected palette of colors !!! "Laser Lumia Rainbow"...linked to the music !!! This will be a future project...along with beam propagation thru a agitated liquid media !!!....Like I said...we have just scratched the surface of possibilities !!! CD
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    .
    Beam Axiom #4 ~A Chicken in every Pot, and a Laser Lumia in every Livingroom !!
    .
    Beam Axiom #5 ~"Abstract Photonic Expressionism"....is "Abstractonimical" !!
    .
    Beam Axiom #6 ~ "A Posse ad Essea" ~ From being possible to being actual ...is the beam target !

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    I have been doing something similar to this with sound activated cues in Beyond, and using various lumia wheels. The effects really are quite stunning, it's just a case of getting the cues under control so they don't skip about too quickly. This can be achieved by the various damping effects on the cues that are available in Beyond.

    I wish you the very best of luck with your project as you head into some mind blowingly beautiful effects.
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    Interesting regarding Beyond !!!! How ever we get to the " Undiscovered Country " of Music linked with Lumia....it will be a wild ride.
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    The Lumia effects achieved with the teachings of Clickamouse and Swamidog are beautiful by themselves !! I will try to add off-axis propagation and a music link to the pool of progress !
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    So many have contributed to the Art of Laser Lumia....I stand on all their shoulders !!
    I expect " Mind blowing " results. Thank for the kind words. CDB




    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I have been doing something similar to this with sound activated cues in Beyond, and using various lumia wheels. The effects really are quite stunning, it's just a case of getting the cues under control so they don't skip about too quickly. This can be achieved by the various damping effects on the cues that are available in Beyond.

    I wish you the very best of luck with your project as you head into some mind blowingly beautiful effects.
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    Beam Axiom #4 ~A Chicken in every Pot, and a Laser Lumia in every Livingroom !!
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    Beam Axiom #5 ~"Abstract Photonic Expressionism"....is "Abstractonimical" !!
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    Beam Axiom #6 ~ "A Posse ad Essea" ~ From being possible to being actual ...is the beam target !

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    Couldn't you use an addressable media such as a LCD panel? As long as the laser sources were polarized this might act to block an expanded beam where the liquid crystals were aligned.

    What about using the DLP chip from a projector that was otherwise fully functional before the diodes were harvested and while illuminating it with collimated beams matched to its dimensions playing fractals or screen savers into its input?

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    Quote Originally Posted by planters View Post
    Couldn't you use an addressable media such as a LCD panel? As long as the laser sources were polarized this might act to block an expanded beam where the liquid crystals were aligned.

    What about using the DLP chip from a projector that was otherwise fully functional before the diodes were harvested and while illuminating it with collimated beams matched to its dimensions playing fractals or screen savers into its input?
    Mr.P.....YES !!!....I agree this is yet another future avenue for experimentation !!!
    I have been doing some research on Cymatics. See this piece of equipment... https://www.cymascope.com/
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    I have been trying to figure out.... first how the effect is done ( so I could do it for 1/10th the cost)...and secondly...how to adapt this to our Laser Lumia machines !!!
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    Anyone have any knowledge of Cymatics ???? Wild concept !! First....this apparatus brings/displays sound patterns into our visual physical realm...and second...we reflect/use those patterns somehow to display Laser Lumia....or really...abstract patterns !!
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    ALL this may be able to be done inside the digital world...yes....But....again...however we elevate the art is of secondary consideration...the primary consideration is that we DO elevate the art !! And the Bifurcation continues !!
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    "A Posse ad Essea" ~ From being possible to being actual ...is the latest " Beam Axiom " !! CDB
    Beam Axiom #1 ~The Quantum well is DEEP ! Photons for ALL !!
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    Beam Axiom #2 ~Yes...As a matter of fact...I DO wear tinfoil on my head !!
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    Beam Axiom #3 ~Whe'n dout...Po ah Donk awn et !!
    .
    Beam Axiom #4 ~A Chicken in every Pot, and a Laser Lumia in every Livingroom !!
    .
    Beam Axiom #5 ~"Abstract Photonic Expressionism"....is "Abstractonimical" !!
    .
    Beam Axiom #6 ~ "A Posse ad Essea" ~ From being possible to being actual ...is the beam target !

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    It's calculating spherical resonance.
    Here's a neat video on planar resonance, easy to do with sand and possible with a water tank.

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    Is it calculating them or simply, mechanically generating them? I suspect this because all the patterns are axially symmetric.

    The modulation depth is going to be small and smaller yet as the frequency and complexity grows. This would not be a problem for a phase effect such as a holographic display where the effect would be visible as the interference fringes were "walked through", but it might be impossible to see if you were looking to deflect the light.

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