Jr. Woodchuckington Janitor III, Esq.
yes. i think so. i think it's the responsibility of all vendors.Originally Posted by Pangolin
(edit)
it may be that the marketing department does not have the same understanding of galvo mechanics as the engineering department does. either way, it is confusing. intentional or not.
Last edited by swamidog; 10-06-2016 at 10:53.
suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.
Senior Member
Happens with every car I have ever bought unless there's an officer behind me...
Creaky Old Award Winning Bastard Technologist
I have a presentation conference paper on past industry standard scanner motor definitions at home. I'll scan it in. Then someone can submit it to ILDA Techcom so they can secure any rights needed. Then we have something that has been accepted by industry and can be adopted by ILDA to help cut down the weasel words we often see... I'm not an ILDA member right now, so it will not be me. But I will work with some one who is to adapt standardization terms as needed...
Steve
Qui habet Christos, habet Vitam!
I should have rented the space under my name for advertising.
When I still could have...
Senior Member
Hmm....
try to write what i want to say... hope you understand... :-) . English is not my "Mother Language"
I own 506 Scanners (modified Amp by Bill ), CT 6800, 6210, 6215 "Big Block Driver", Surly also Raytrack, Litrack... this Time no Saturs because when i want them.
the delivery Time was too long. So i choose EMS 8000 . Never see them before. Why ? Not because someone say the do 60K / 8 Degrees. I know that only a few do this in real Live.
But because my Projektor has an 6mm Beam ( Arctos Elektus, (3W Green, 5W Red, 6W Blue ) ) and i need big Mirrors. After contacting Eyemagic they ask me for my Exact Beam (width / height ) and
send me the Scanners incl. Mirrors which exactly match. And the Result is OK in my Eyes comaring Result with Price. With Scanningspeeds of about 30-40K also Graphics are looking good.
I believe that the Saturns can give a better Result but as i said, in this Time i couldnt buy them . The 500$ more are surly not the Problem when we talk about a Projektor which is 20K Euro.
About Spects and Reality: No need to talk about. All People which are in this Business will try Products and then they have their own Spects..Spects they see which their own Eyes.
About your Video , Bill: I dont had the Time to reproduce your Results. But if i would wrote such a Post ( i never will do because in my Eyes sometimes it is better so say nothing )
the Result should be reproduced with more than one Set. The "little Wars" between some Companys are a waste of Time in my Eyes . Sadly to see that you have Time left for this.
You always get what you pay. And a.e. if you pay 79$ for a USB DAC you wont get syncron X/Y and Coloroutput when the Designer saves 2 or 3$ for an extra XY DAC and is using internal
DACs for Axis and external for Colors :-) . Are lower Prices more important ??
There are surely also some Products from which i know they didnt match their Spects but most People know of theese Products in the "Laseruniverse" :-)
I develop some Products by my own and only a few People resell them and also not in big Mass. But the know what they are saying.
Bill, as Answer of the Question why the FB4 is not putting out DMX your German Reseller wrote at Laserfreak.net that the Mass of DMX Data is too much without disturbing the Laseroutput.
From Technican to Technican : Sounds like a Joke , the controller used on your FB4 has no Problems to feed 1-3 DMX Universes beside doing the Laseroutput.
@All, please go inside you self. I thought about 3 or 4 Days writing this or not. The Lasershow - Market is not really big compared with other Products. Sure, we all fight
to get as much customers as possible. But i will go on as i did the last 12 Years. Better say nothing as something bad about others.
And now: Throw all Shit on the small, bad German Guy :-) I can handle it :-)
Last edited by Guido; 10-06-2016 at 20:09.
Senior Member
/begin sarcasm/ I love statements like this. OK Guido, so nobody will ever talk about specs any more. /end sarcasm/
Did somebody crown you king? Is this exclusively your forum, and therefore when you come forth with a decree that "no need to talk about", we should all simply stop talking about it?
Guido, why did you state that your beam was 6mm? Why not call it "6 Guido units"? After all, that would be "specs they see which their own eyes"...
The answer is obvious. If everybody used their own units, then nobody could ever build things with parts from multiple vendors. I'd say "6 Bill units" and need to convert it to "6 Guido units", etc. You said "6mm" because that has value and meaning. People can relate to it.
If, as you say, everybody used "Spects they see which their own Eyes" surely the world would be a much worst place. We'd all be back very close to the stone ages and progress would be very difficult.
Moreover, when you wrote: "All People which are in this Business will try Products and then they have their own Spects" what the hell makes this "business" any different from every other business in which specs are relied upon? If I bought a brand new Mac Book Pro with 1TB drive, and it showed up with less, I'd be dissatisfied. And no computer company could ever get away with saying "well we just have our own specs".
Hehe. Don't have time to turn on the projector and open the iPhone and start recording? I will remind you that this wasn't a highly produced video!! All it was, was a quickie iPhone video all done in a single take. The entire thing only took as long as the length of the video (a few minutes)... Guido, you don't have a few minutes?
... and allow misinformation, disinformation and bad information to flourish?
Guido don't you dare complain later on in life that competitors passed you by and customers didn't buy your software or hardware, etc. because you didn't speak up when someone else came onto the marketplace claiming to have a better product, and customers bought from them instead of you. By "saying nothing" you're not doing your customers, or yourself any favors!
Sure they should!!! Abso -- fricken -- lately!!! In my very first post, I encouraged other people to make their own video. And in my post that preceded yours, I took time to point out that this is singularly my experience.
Abso -- fricken -- lately, in an ideal case several tests should be performed. And if anyone wants to send me their scanners to repeat the tests, I will gladly do so. Or -- better yet -- if anyone wants to make their own damn video, all the better!
Nevertheless, the specs are the specs, and physics says that those specs are reality (I can post the inside dimensions of the motor, number of turns on the coil, FEA results, etc.) and physics says that this motor can not drive that mirror at 60K at 8 degrees. More videos would only help to reinforce that fact.
/begin sarcasm/ Thank you for sharing what's a waste of time in your eyes. /end sarcasm/
But again I ask -- did someone crown you king? Is this exclusively your forum? What if someone else DOES NOT think it's a waste of time? Do they matter? Guido, what makes you think you matter so much that the opinions and curiosity of others should be overruled?
Time to flip open the iPhone and make a five minute video, while needing to examine the scanners anyway before changing a mirror?
I have no idea what you're even talking about because I haven't read the particular post that our "German reseller" supposedly put on Laserfreak.net. In any event, please send me an email about this directly and I will investigate. And I agree with you, the FB4 has enough power to run a zillion additional peripherals in addition to the laser. So there must be some misunderstanding on the part of the German reseller or on the part of someone else.
We don't "fight". We offer products to the market and customers either buy them or not. When there is misinformation, we try to correct it. I hope you don't believe that this is "fighting"... After all, is the US and European governments "fighting" with Volks Wagen for purposely misstating their emissions?
What "bad" did I say about the EMS? Watch the video again and again. Read my own posts. I congratulate them for finally getting mirror specs right! Half way through the video I exclaimed that their thermal conductivity was "impressive for a small motor with conventional construction". Is this "bad"? Are you sure you watched the same video and read the same posts?
Bill
Senior Member
Plop poop thrown. Bill why you bother with us amazes me. You surely don't do it cuz it makes you money. Retail, the land of the insane.... Thanks though for caring to try. Why people think stating the truth means your fighting I will never understand. I do however understand the response from Cambridge now when I wanted a single piece of scanners a ways back. Not worth their time.
Stay safe and enjoy the big blow.
Senior Member
And now: Throw all Shit on the small, bad German Guy :-) I can handle it :-)
As a fellow German, I'm glad to accommodate.
Do you sell anything? I hope not. I can't attribute this illogical confusion to language skills. This would generate random errors, not sloppy, defensive accusations.
Bill,
The only suggestion I would make to you is to just let him go on. He is painting a very clear picture for anyone who bothers to look.
When you get into an argument with someone that is digging his own grave, don't interfere. Just saying...
Senior Member
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksw...ssions_scandal
In EU countries, misleading advertising is now supposed to be outlawed. See UK version of the law here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2...0081277_en.pdf
Couldn't comment at all on any companies in particular. Just giving a general picture.
Last edited by White-Light; 10-07-2016 at 23:08.
Senior Member
I do however understand the response from Cambridge now when I wanted a single piece of scanners a ways back. Not worth their time.In the case of the single-piece hobbyist, the "training and support" is done once -- but for the single order. Moreover the hobbyist will likely ask many more questions, and take a lot longer to get up and running -- thus the cost of providing the "training and support" is higher. So it becomes clear that the support burden is higher for the single-piece order rather than the very large order.
Cambridge should have helped you, it doesn,t matter if the cost for them are higher for selling a single unit. The only reason that bigger companies don,t want to putt effort in small orders is because their is no money to be made. In my book every customer is king no mather if the customer needs allot of support and buys only a single unit. The big companies only run fast when you want to have allot of them wich gives smaller companies that do 1 off items the advantage. If we getting things made by a metalshop you need to do a larger quantity to justify the price per unit. The whole world turns on quantity, the bigger amount you can invest the cheaper you can sell the product with keeping the same profit margin. Small companies can grow big fast if allot of money comes in to invest in even bigger stock. But that money needs to come from somewhere and its not going to be from 1 or 2 orders that you get from hobbyists. Crowdfunding shows clearly how fast things can go, as soon as allot of money is raised suddenly you can do bigger quantities. If you go to a bank they say no but with crowd funding you can beat the system.
The bottomline is that even when your a bigger company needs to remember where they comes from so ALL customers should be threated the same no mather if the order is big or small.......
Interested in 6-12W RGB projectors with low divergence? Contact me by PM!
Senior Member
AHA, I hadn't put it together until now, but yes, your last name does end with "er" doesn't it! So does mine! My grandparents on both sides immigrated to America from Koln.
Thanks for pointing that out!
Bill
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote