New format for laser shows - time to upgrade the show production

[james]

This is an elitist argument and blah, blah, blah...

You're playing the straw man argument here.

You're bent at me because of what you think I am.

The only shade I've cast in this thread and in general is about the ilda file format, and I've already explained why, based on a factual technical error.

The rest of your accusations are in your own head.

[absolom7691]

You're playing the straw man argument here.

Am I? Your idea that "unique" tools make a better a artist is elitism. Especially since you think (based on what you've already typed) that using commonly available toolsets makes for mediocre art. That is at the very core of elitism, that one needs to walk a difficult path and use uncommon tools to attain the designation of artist.

You're bent at me because of what you think I am.

Please tell me what I think you are. I'm not bent at you at all. I am just tired of seeing this argument, over and over again.

rant rant rant... the ilda file format, and I've already explained why

Yes, you have... again. Nothing has changed in the last 12 or so years and you're still on about it. People are tired of hearing your hits, especially when it's a skipping record on a turntable that never stops.

The rest of your accusations are in your own head.

What am I accusing you of? Dragging us through the "ilda format sucks, hooray for waves" swamp again? Pretty sure that's a well-known fact. Talk about unique, this performance has been done before. A lot. Get some new material.

But as I have said, I am too exhausted to see this continue. Go on, James... rant away. Eventually you'll be back in your little echo chamber and all will be right in your world.

[james]

I've got you all cranked up don't I?

If I offer an example that doesn't mean that nothing exists outside of that example.

That might be the one thing that you don't get about me.

I write stuff that is from my own experience like I actually know what I'm talking about and that irritates you because it doesn't jive with your opinion.

You have your own understanding of whatever it is you know and I have mine.

Your "feelings" about the ilda file format and what you know about its use is completely unconnected to the fact that it is technically flawed.

I'm well aware of its popularity.

If you can explain anything about it from a structural or technical perspective, please do so.

For that matter if you can expound upon what a wav file can and cannot do as a substitute, please explain.

Then maybe you can talk about plain text as well.

Perhaps you can dispute that my application can do things that no other application can do or that what it does is useless, while your at it.

Thinking that I'm wrong because you don't like the way I present information or how that makes you feel is your own hang up.

[swamidog]

That's not what makes you wrong.

Thinking that I'm wrong because you don't like the way I present information or how that makes you feel is your own hang up.

[james]

That's not what makes you wrong.

And apparently you don't know what does.

[rns0504]

I don't know enough about laser shows to understand what's going on here, but metaphorically it seems like someone ranting and raving about how Betamax is the better and more technologically superior format [in the age of streaming]. Even though the world (for whatever reason) decided against that format decades ago and have happily moved on.

Meanwhile "the masses" aren't using either of those (file) formats for one reason or another

[james]

Huh? What format are they using then?

This thread was originally about a potential new format, so discussing formats that already exist, regardless of their popularity seems appropriate.

[absolom7691]

Hey Ryan! Welcome to the shit show. We're talking about the "broken" and "highly limiting" nature of .ild files, even though most/all professionals who create amazing artwork saved to said file format and have never complained about such limitations still use it en masse. It's been going on for years and while the rest of the world has moved on happily, there is one that says we're all cripplingly limited because we're not using .wav files to store our artwork. So, leave your sanity at the door and enjoy the show.

[james]

You so clearly don't get it.

ILDA does what it does and is obviously the current defacto standard. But it does have limitations. It only stores a limited concept of frames and maybe pallets, but probably not. There are other formats that are way more capable of storing relevant information but they are proprietary. Wave can and does store a lot more information and can be used in many ways that go beyond being a mechanism of fixed sample rate playback. It isn't as well known or utilized as ilda but it is none the less different, open source and in many ways superior. It is undeniably compatible with way more applications in every OS, but not those that are exclusively for laser display. The fact that it is so generic and it wasn't ever conceived for laser display is exactly why it has value. And probably the single most important property of the wav file is that there is no limit to the amount of highly specific formatted information that can be added to it and it will still be readable by any applications that read wav.

That is absolutely not true of ilda.


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[swamidog]

we're casting a dinner theatre presentation of the Man of Lamancha with James in the role of Don Quixote.

I don't know enough about laser shows to understand what's going on here, but metaphorically it seems like someone ranting and raving about how Betamax is the better and more technologically superior format [in the age of streaming]. Even though the world (for whatever reason) decided against that format decades ago and have happily moved on.

Meanwhile "the masses" aren't using either of those (file) formats for one reason or another