like i said in the end of the other thread-
i apologize for hijacking the original intent of the "Wide angle scan lens" thread. i wanted to respond to a few comments though...
1- ANDYF-
"Ok so, you say we are not professional with your 2 ... years experince. I have 15+ years experience, over 20 events per month excluding busy periods of the year and no accidents. I think that kind of endorces that we are working in a professional mannor isnt it?"
-YES!! thats my EXACT point!!! you ARE a seriously professional laser company. you have multiple high powered beautiful lasers. i saw other videos of yours that were beyond amazing. my complaint was with the video at hand. the video that i saw and the video i posted a link to! i didnt say, your company isnt professional. i didnt say all of your shows were unsafe. i didnt say you you werent a great laser company! in fact i said the opposite quite a few times. my complaint was with the VIDEO AT HAND. the video you ASKED me to refer you to to see what i was talking about. THAT was and is my gripe!! i even specifically said that a professional company like yours with the high tech lasers and artistry you obviously posess shouldnt have to resort to unsafe shows to make a show memorable. i said you should let your lasers, technology, artistry and technology speak for itself.
i didnt "slander" you. i didnt provide any false statement or accusation. i never once said, those ARE (meaning as factual...) 10W lasers. i simply said they are HIGH POWERED and "LOOKED LIKE" at least 5-8 watt or more laser systems! i said that your explanation of the lens system you explained didnt remotely come close to providing justification for the amount of lasers and distances and powers that the crowd was exposed to. for arguments sake...what WERE the powers???
ill give you the benefit of the doubt...lets just say the highest power there was "ONLY" 500mW (which i honestly dont believe for a second) are you saying in all of your 15 years of professionalism and 20 events per month and and vast knowledge of lasers and theories and laser systems....that taking 300mW-500mW....crap, even 50mW lasers and AIMING THEM DOWN INTO A CROWD at distances of only aprox 15-20 feet is safe? If you can HONESTLY tell me that you dont see anything wrong with that...that you see NO HARM in putting an audience of YOURS in front of that much radiation, if you can tell me that there is no danger or safety issues involved then i will sincerely apologize to YOU and EVERYONE else here for wasting everyones time reading my overly protective and safety conscious ridiculous posts...
andy, i said it before, ill say it again...i am QUITE sure your company is amazing. you have amazing shows, great clients, great lasers, amazing choreography, been in business a long time...i never once doubted any of that. nor did i accuse you or your company otherwise. i simply saw what may have been an early show, a private show for friends, maybe even a farme dout show, who knows?? an OBVIOUSLY unsafe show and i commented on it. whether those lasers were 20mW, 200mW, 500mW or 50 WATTS....it was unsafe! and i said you of ALL PEOPLE...being a professional for over 15 years...should have known better!!! unless lasers and light work differently in romania than do over here, i belive...and i may be wrong...but i DO bleieve a 20mW or 50mW or 500mW or 300mW or 50 WATT laser CAN cause damage to ones sight!?!?!?!?
peter-
"Ever checked out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPnCjMszSq4 Here he does a full color show in broad daylight....ever tried that ? It's a heck of a job, still the beams fly OVER the people, not INTO them"
YES!! again, thats my point EXACTLY!!!!! andy has the lasers and talent and and show expertise to perform awe inspiring shows WITHOUT putting his audience in harms way!!! most of the other videos i saw almost knocked me out of my chair because of the quality of his showmanship. somebody with that type of equipment and that type of talent shouldnt have to resort to dangerous and unprofessional show ethics to "wow" a crowd!!
"the fact that in the US you cannot do European-Type shows is a thing that I feel frustrates you and you take this out on European companies that do these shows. Just to feel good about yourself you tell them they should not do the show this way"
with all do respect peter- that was a pretty absurd statement. thats the "You hate me cuz you aint me" mentality that just detracts from the problem at hand.
if the usa said tomorow....screw the laws, crowd scan all you want...i can tell you RIGHT NOW on the soul of my family that i would NEVER do such a thing! about a year ago, i would have said, HELLL YEAHH!!!! what has changed??? EDUCATION and PROFESSIONALISM!!! laser light isnt different in the UK than it is in the USA. Laser light is JUST AS DANGEROUS in the UK or romania or Guam or Italy or Antarctica...as it is here in the USA. do the laws of physics not apply over there?? if so, i would LOVE to know!!
"What experience do you bring in that area ? have you ever done a show in Europe ?"
NO...i have never done a show in europe. what has that got to do with the issue at hand?? like i said from the begining...i dont claim to be a superstar laser company. in fact i have said a million times that i have a TON to learn! i get by with what i have (my yag) and i have a great reputation in my field...and i have NEVER crowd scanned or done a show in europe. is that a pre-requisite to become a superior laser company?? i must crowd scan and do a show in europe?
peter and andyf and a few others who commented...
i am NOT personally attacking you or anyone. if you felt that way or feel that way than i sincerely apologize. i AM however firming my point and concern that the video at hand was and is a blatant safety risk.
oh- the laser pointer comment- yeah, dont get me started on that! those dingbats selling those things to a bunch of high school kids....well, thats fior another thread....
-Marc