Yeah it just looks like crap at a distance. Beam quality not what it should be, if I had lots of money to experiment with or access to an optics lab, I might be able to do something. I'm not giving up tho I cant combine 2 of 'em like I want to do with the present set-up. I wrote that cheezy thing last nite and waz going to delete it now but..oops..too late. I've tried the optics in that aixiz, Aaron, but yeah, I may break it out again and try w/ diff combinations, thanks.