New laser shows from International Laser Productions

[Banthai]

honestly ... allthat

2 girls 1 cup is minority porn .... and can be dismissed as a handfull of people making some dollars out of a shock factor video .... and no one was hurt, ( apart from maybe a bit of food poisoning ) totaly consenting...

but... i have always seen laser entertainment to be devoid of racist, religious, political statements ....

and i have seen laser shows bring people together from all cultures and religions ..... its always been a fantastic universal form of entertainment whatever the veiwers background ..... but this different

it would be good if someone from ILP could make a positive statement ....

but if they ignore it, it will hurt them badly ..... and by that, im guessing that most of their income is via foriegn currency...

as far as deleting the ILP shows free with pangolin i will hold back untill bill wants to coment ( not that i want to involve bill here , as im sure he is just the messenger ) .... also ILP originated from NewZealand ... and a lot of the shows were written by other Laserists before the company moved to indonesia

i think its best to see ILPs response before we thow stones

all the best .... Karl

[Internatlaser]

Hi

Yes I agree Disco Inferno is somewhat controversial.
Yes the imagery is a bit strong, I understand peoples reaction, I wanted to convey the lies of 911, Shit the 911 truth websites lay out a fairly scary picture of a cover-up thats pretty believable. Read a blog, my commentary is just different its visual. Same images are on You Tube same responses.
One day some towers fell down, Sadly people died. By whose hand?, Too many unanswered questions...
Show me the proof, that Jesus even existed..
People either choose by way of thier political leaning or because they simply dont care, forget the Neocons in the Whitehouse ( ironically that cheated to get there )They invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses that led to violence that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in the pursuit of Oil. Yes hundreds of thousands, collateral damage they call it, Innocent civilians in reality. People may be angry that images depict death and destruction on American soil but what about those innocents in Iraq who gives a shit about them. I watched in disgust the nighlty news, hundreds being killed weekly, in the end just numbers on a screen Ok thats boring lets switch over to MTV. The Americans then installed a puppet government that resorted to political murder (OK Saddam was an evil bastard) and now is rattling the sabers against another sovereign state in the region. All in the name of democracy The American "Brand" Ok the Taliban had to go when they blew up the Buddha statue.
What has this has achieved, an almighty clash of civilizations taking us back to the mentality of the middle ages.
The motivation to write such a show was hearing the commentary of the Bush administration for the past eight years, having and open mind, Michael Moore et al, and the You tube commentaries woooo Conspiracy theories...albeit not to far fetched I consider.
Its a show about the world we have lived in for the past eight years, OK I'm not American, but what the American administration does affects the rest of the globe.
I believe Americans have an amendment # Free Speech etc...only when I suits them it seems
Who, if anybody will be held accountable for the crap that has affected this planet, a direct result of Bush and his Texan cronies.
Hopefully the new Black President can lift the lid before they shoot him or will he be so tied up in the smokescreen of Wall street crumbling so that the Republicans responsible can make a clean getaway.

Lest we forget.

Obamas Reverend Wright had it ..You reap what you sow. Try to view the world without the hypocrisy
Sorry I don't believe everything I see on the news or read in the newspapers, I have an open mind, As do millions of others.
Call me names, insensitive, even a terrorist, I'm a 50 year old Anglo Saxon Darwinist, phooey I'm not anti American, Just anti American foreign policy, Oh sorry and anti people with their heads so far up where the sun don't shine.
Then as some have, look at the other ILP shows and see some "political" content as is suggested.
The poster might not remember the happy days bought on by Kid Charlemagne ( pissed I missed the reunion tour of Steely Dan )
And American Roulette by Robbie Robertson a song about depression..Yeah tell me who is looking after the veterans...
I make shows for fun its a hobby ..And try and sell em ( Probably less now Ha ) Lasers are not my main source of income anymore hasn't been for about 7 years. Buy the shows or not, I dont have a problem with that.
Winter Wonderland I made for my wife, Glamorous and Shut up and Drive I made for my 8 and 11 year old daughters..The 2 year old aint boppin yet.
The others, I like the music, every now and then someone buys some. Golfing money
And just to put the record straight yes I am originally from NZ the original laserist there in 1987 and no, All of the shows you have with Pangolin in the ILP directory were not made by others they were made by me personally here in Indonesia after I got my first Pangolin system circa 1995.
Go ahead and delete all of the ILP content from your computers. Its the same crap I see in many live shows and on Laser websites the Photonlexicon ftp site etc etc.
Its ALL bad.
Yes I agree I too have seen laser shows bring people together from all cultures and religions ..... it is a fantastic universal form of entertainment whatever the veiwers background ..... but this different, Heres where I tend to disagree, whats the difference between watching a computer monitor SWF file and watching an alternative documentary on your DVD or TV, you can choose to watch or not watch. The stop go button is in your hands. I'll admit I did make a mistake and not put a warning trailer on the file but that will be remedied very soon, Anyone can watch the video they dont have to buy the show, The show is not entertaining its a political statement. I have the right to express my views, just as those that dont share my views, have a right to express thiers, although its more civil without obsenities.


You know why they put blinders on horses don't you.
Keep on lasing and lets hope they vote for the right guy this time.

Terrence Green
International Laser Productions

[300EVIL]

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[300EVIL]

The show is not entertaining its a political statement.

Well theirs your problem.... You'd have to agree people buy your shows for their entertainment value, not you're conspiracy theories..... Right????

I respect you're beliefs but I think you should be a little more careful about the image you portray for your business.

Also, my opinion is that anyone who believes this conspiracy crap thinks Americans are just a bunch of dumb asses. I mean seriously, The US government could come up with such an elaborate scheme to pull the wool over the eyes of billions of people..... come on... I "personally" know a few people who were directly involved in the 9/11 incident in a way that proves it was a terrorist attack. (Don't ask how, I can't tarnish my friend.) I guess these friends of mine are government agents too!

Like I said, I respect you're opinion but, "opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and they all stink."

BTW, If you are sincere about your unhappy feelings of 9/11, picking "Disco Inferno" was probably the WORST choice you could have made.

Good luck in the future......
Adam

[buffo]

I wanted to convey the lies of 911, Shit the 911 truth websites lay out a fairly scary picture of a cover-up thats pretty believable.

Pretty believable? You've *got* to be joking. They're no more believable that Santa Clause is. You're talking about the fringe conspiracy groups there, right up there with the flat earth society.

One day some towers fell down, Sadly people died. By whose hand?, Too many unanswered questions...

They didn't just fall down. A group of Arabs (mostly Saudi's, by the way) hijacked a pair of planes and CRASHED THEM INTO THE TOWERS. So to answer your question: by the hand of a Saudi Arabian Islamist Extremist.

Show me the proof, that Jesus even existed..

What does that have to do with producing an offensive laser show and then trying to sell it? More to the point, your belief (or not) in the existence of Jesus (regardless of any supernatural powers you may or may not attribute to him) has nothing to do with the *facts* surrounding the WTC collapse. If you can't understand the difference between science and philosophy, you shouldn't be arguing about either one.

People either choose by way of thier political leaning or because they simply dont care, forget the Neocons in the Whitehouse ( ironically that cheated to get there )They invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses that led to violence that killed hundreds of thousands of innocents <snip>

So because you disagree with the politics of America, you choose to insult her with your laser show. OK - that's your prerogative. But then you post your show on the Internet and advertise it on an American-based forum (the Pangolin User Forum) hoping that people will *PAY* you to see your political statement on their laser projector? And now you're complaining because we're pissed?

Seriously, what sort of fantasy world do you live in?

I watched in disgust the nighlty news, hundreds being killed weekly, in the end just numbers on a screen

So you were "disgusted" at the killing, and your first reaction was, "Hey - let's write a laser show that mocks an event where THOUSANDS of innocents where killed? That will teach them!" That was the best idea you could come up with? (Hypocritical much?)

What has this has achieved, an almighty clash of civilizations taking us back to the mentality of the middle ages.

Oh wake up already! The warring between the Sunni and the Shiite (not to mention the Kurds) has been going on for centuries. Same thing in Afghanistan (albeit without the Kurds). You think everything was roses before America got involved? Wrong...

having and open mind, Michael Moore et al,

Michael Moore is one of the most closed-minded persons in this country. He starts with a premise and then looks for evidence to support it. That's not journalism! You're supposed to look for and report on the facts, not editorialize. Don't get me wrong, there are some truths to be found in Moore's movies, but to say that they were produced with an open mind betrays your ignorance of the issues. He cherry-picks his examples to support his premise, and ignores all evidence to the contrary.

OK I'm not American,

That much is certain, given your *extremely* limited grasp of the issues here.

I believe Americans have an amendment # Free Speech etc...only when I suits them it seems

You're wrong. And it's probably because you don't live here that you have such a limited understanding of free speech.

Free Speech doesn't mean that everyone has to agree with what you say. Free Speech means that the government can't punish you for saying something unpleasant. That's all. The general public is free to ignore, ostracize, and otherwise marginalize you if you say something unpleasant. This doesn't mean that they can assault you, or stop you from saying what you are saying. But they don't have to do business with you, and they don't have to provide you with a soap box to stand on so you can continue to spew your offensive speech.

Take a lesson from a popular America country-western music group: "The "Dixie Chicks" They were on top of the world a few years ago, and then they started speaking out against the Bush Administration and the Iraq war. (Remember that most country-western music fans are staunchly Republican in this country.)

OK - that's their right to speak out. They are the one's hosting the concert, and they have a right to say what they want to. But then the fans started booing them. They stopped buying their records. And they stopped going to their concerts. Concert promoters and TV show producers started avoiding them. They were actually booed off the stage at a benefit concert.

Understandably, The Dixie Chicks were upset by this. However, then they complained that it wasn't fair... But it *was* fair. The fans paid their money to see a music show, not a political commentary. So the fans voted with their wallets. They started going to other concerts instead.

Everyone is free to say what they want, but they have to live with the consequences. If you say something unpopular, people may not want to deal with you, and they don't have to. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

Hopefully the new Black President can lift the lid before they shoot him

Do you really believe this? Do you honestly believe that we're a nation of 300 million rabid, racist, gun-totin' outlaws that are so backward that we can't accept the possibility of a black man serving as president? Because if you do, that's damned insulting.

Try to view the world without the hypocrisy

HA! This, from the guy who claims to be against killing and death, yet sees nothing offensive about making a political joke about the death of several thousand civilians in the worst act of international terrorism ever. The mind boggles...

Sorry I don't believe everything I see on the news or read in the newspapers, I have an open mind,

I suspect you have a rather closed mind. I'll bet you trust Internet sources (blogs, even!) over hard journalism. Yes, the Internet *can* be a good source of news and information, but the signal-to-noise ratio is low. And your statement that the conspiracy theories are even remotely plausible demonstrates a crucial lack of critical thinking ability.

You want a good source for news? Try the BBC. But *never* rely on a single source. Read CNN too (yes, I know they're biased). Hell, I even read Fox news once in a while, just to get the right wing perspective. (Or for a good laugh even. But hey, even a blind dog finds a bone once in a while.) Take in *all* the facts, and then make up your mind.

Call me names, insensitive,

Yes - that's our right. Free Speech again, remember?

even a terrorist

That would be incorrect. You've shown no evidence that you're a terrorist. Why would we call you one?

I'm a 50 year old Anglo Saxon Darwinist

I'm curious that the second most important part of your identity (after your age) is that you're Anglo-Saxon... Why, exactly, is that so relevant?

For the record, I'm a secular humanist. And since age seems to be an issue to you, I'm 42.

Yeah tell me who is looking after the veterans...

You just keep stepping on your own foot, don't you? *I'm* a veteran. Proud of it, too. And I'm doing rather well, thank you very much.

Just because there are a few high-profile cases in the media where a vet has gotten what appears to be a raw deal doesn't mean that our government is systematically screwing over each and every member of the armed service. Of the millions of veterans living in this country today, there's no doubt that you can find some that have been screwed. No one is perfect. But even in the business world, you have people that aren't treated with 100% fairness. It's something we're working to improve though.

This is yet another symptom of closed-mindedness. You read an anecdotal story on the Internet and automatically assume that 1) everything in the article is true, and 2) if it's happening to one person, it must be happening to everyone. That's why you never, *ever* trust a single news source.

I make shows for fun its a hobby ..And try and sell em ( Probably less now Ha ) Lasers are not my main source of income anymore hasn't been for about 7 years.

Bully for you. My guess is that you'll sell fewer shows as a result of this debacle. But if that's not your primary source of income, then you shouldn't be worried, right?

All of the shows you have with Pangolin in the ILP directory were not made by others they were made by me personally here in Indonesia after I got my first Pangolin system circa 1995.
Go ahead and delete all of the ILP content from your computers. Its the same crap I see in many live shows and on Laser websites the Photonlexicon ftp site etc etc.
Its ALL bad.

Wait... So you admit that you made all those shows, and then you say that they're all bad? So what is an example of a "good" show then? It seems aparent that at least one of your recent shows is bad... Are all of your shows bad then?

Heres where I tend to disagree, whats the difference between watching a computer monitor SWF file and watching an alternative documentary on your DVD or TV, you can choose to watch or not watch. The stop go button is in your hands.

The difference is that you're out in the marketplace hawking your shows to the very people you just insulted with the content of one of them. Can't you see that?

You know why they put blinders on horses don't you.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

lets hope they vote for the right guy this time.

You have a very narrow view of America Politics. (Probably because you're on the other side of the planet.) America is much more than what you read in the tabloids, or on Internet blogs. It's unfortunate that you can't see that.

Finally, let me leave you with this sobering example of how offensive your show really is. While I would never do a show like I'm about to propose below, think about it in your own mind and see if the images (and juxtaposition of laughably comical music with such a serious subject) wouldn't offend you.

You're in Indonesia, right? Then certainly you remember the Tsunami of 2004. Over 100,000 of your countrymen died. The images of dead, bloated bodies floating in the water haunted the world for months. Suppose I made a laser show using those images. Large wave striking the low lying beach, scrubbing the land clean. Bodies drowning, bodies being thrown against buildings, trees, and walls. Bodies broken in half. Women watching their children drown, then drowning themselves.

Now I set the whole show to the Surfari's classic "Wipeout" from the 1960's. OK - right there it's disrespectful just because of the music. But then I take it to the next level by injecting political (or even religious) commentary. I show the "Zeus" ILDA image throwing the lighting bolt into the sea to start the earthquake that triggers the Tsunami. Maybe I even throw some images in there depicting Indonesia as a hotbed of sodomy, pederasty, and drug abuse. I make it look like the punishment was the Tsunami.

Sound offensive? Because it does to me. I would never make light of such a tragedy. And while the thousands that died in the WTC collapse are no match for the *hundreds* of thousands that died as a result of the Tsunami, the disrespectful attitude is equally out of place in both incidents. Likewise, both concepts share the same stereotype: that just because some people in a country act in a way that is displeasing to you, that means everyone in the country is that way.

Bottom line: a for-hire laser show is a *lousy* vehicle for a political statement. And if you want your statement to be considered by anyone other than the uneducated, you'd be wise to avoid sensational images and a disrespectful attitude when you craft it.

Adam

[carmangary]

ISP, why don't you go make some cartoons of Osama bin Laden and Allah having sex and then release those to the muslim countries and see how well that goes for you? You could set it all to the tune of Ministry's "Tonight We Murder".

[Stuka]

Hi

Yes I agree Disco Inferno is somewhat controversial.
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Terrence Green
International Laser Productions

NO, REALLY - YOU THINK ?!

Way to go, Terrence Green -

Thanks for posting your crap (the show AND your reply here) and helping to turn our hobby / pastime and now this forum into just another form of anti-american BS from some sorry SOB who bases their whole perception of our country on Internet blog postings and YouTube videos. Yeah, that's intelligent!!

Congatulations on having another source of income, since I'd be willing to bet that you and International Laser Productions have now lost a LOT of potential customers!!

Buffo was very eloquent in his response to you, and pretty well covered all your original replies. However, I would like to add:

"Hopefully the new Black President can lift the lid before they shoot him or will he be so tied up in the smokescreen of Wall street crumbling so that the Republicans responsible can make a clean getaway"

Hey, OUR election is over a month away, and I assure you, NO one is the definite new president yet! As far as the "Wall Street crumbling" comment, I would suggest that you research the online newpapers, blogs and YouTube videos that you seem to favor, and find out a little REAL history concerning the "contributions" our two primary political parties made to the current mess. Blaming this on a particular party is pretty lame for someone who evidently has NO CLUE about our political system and is obviously pretty limited with the "knowledge" they have acquired through nothing more than an Internet connection in Indonesia!

As far as the 911 conspiracy theory -
Once the drugs you're on wear off, please take another look at this thread and perhaps revisit some of your postings, and even your reason for releasing that piece of crap show. Also, it might be good to remember that with ANY war, unfortunately, innocent people do sometimes die as a result of collateral action that is, at times, unavoidable. However, I ASSURE you that EVERYONE involved in anti-terrorist operations (US, British, and MANY OTHER countries in the world) do everything they can to keep innocent civilians out of harm's way. The Islamic extremists, however, CONTINUE to BLOW UP their own people world-wide on virtually a daily basis, and have killed FAR MORE innocent people than any anti-terrorist military action ever did!

And as far as your comments "tell me who is looking after the veterans..."
is concerned, I can assure you that we don't need any "help" from the likes of you or that fat-ass egomaniac Michael Moore. While we're far from perfect, you would be hard-pressed to find many folks in the USA, military OR otherwise, that would willingly give up our country and way of life, problems and all, for a life anywhere else in the world. Also, keep in mind that those of us in uniform who are serving, fighting, bleeding, and dying to defeat the WORLD-WIDE terrorist threat are doing so voluntarily.

That viewpoint, by the way, comes from someone who has proudly served in the US military for over 21 years, and has BEEN THERE on multiple occasions, and actually seen what is going on in the world, rather than stirring up a bunch of Internet-based controversy while hiding behind a computer screen in Indonesia!

Way to go.....

[mixedgas]

And let me also tell you this:

If we would have had the assets on the ground, and the intelligence to know what was coming, those ancient Buddha statues would still be standing. America is a mostly Christian nation if you belive the media, but in reality its about 20%. However the majority of us cried out and were filled with rage when we saw the video of such a beautiful, peaceful, work destroyed and the other attrocities. To most americans, that video said " trouble is brewing and needs to be delt with." Thats why most of the taliban's so called "warriors" have now departed this earth. Had we known, and if we had the assets close enough, special forces teams would have been sent to protect those statues. And would not hesitate to give their lives to do so.

The rest of the world cries foul when we as a nation take on the role of "world cop", They also cry foul when we don't. You can't have it both ways. Morally we're supposed to stand by, stay out of the mess, and let others suffer? Thats hypocritical even if your a athiest.

We really dont have to export most of our agricultural production
to feed the world, yet we do, and our government subsidizes our agricultural industry to do that, at a great cost to the American taxpayer. Think about that one.

Artists are supposed to lead us in our morality and our questioning of said morality, but you Sir, went way too far.

I have a friend that was under the debris in Manhatten that day. He's a professional laserist. Ask him how his lungs are these days. He as one of 230 million, had little control over his nation's long term policies. Why does he have to suffer for them? I went into work at a educational facility the next day and we had guards at the door with machine guns to protect our students, both American and guest. Thats not my idea of America, guns at a college. I watched graduate students from many nations cry when they saw the 911 video live. They as guests in my nation, getting a free education in medical technology to go back to their nations and make the world a better place, felt we would have been justified to possibly nuke some place. You'd be hard pressed to find a American that did not have a connection to Manhatten on that horrible day. We could have just nuked a few places , but that is only revenge. But we instead decided to take on a long, risky, sacrifice and straighten things out the hard way. We may not be right on many things our government chooses to do on our behalf, nobody is perfect, but we have a moral obligation to defend the innocent.

And we learned from Viet Nam, even those who do not support this war , now stand behind our veterans, there is no spitting on our returning troops this time, and you would certainly see that in the world media if it were occuring. People walk up to folks who have the obvious military haircuts and thank them for their service now. We will take care of them.

So I take this very, very personally.

We are the folks that invented the Ion Laser, The DPSS Laser and feedback Galvos. Think about that when you fire up your next show.

Steve

[Laserman532]

Hey Terrance, don't quit your day job.

[Internatlaser]

Im not going to get into a slanging match

I make lasershows.
My perogative

You disagree.
Your perogative

Others dont
Their perogative

People asked me why, I told them.