ILDA Accreditation

[heroic]

only until a dictator of the laws set forth and ratified requires you to use his certified controller and excludes your design. You wont be able to earn as many points.

You can't be socialistic and exclusionary. The word you're looking for is "fascistic", or possibly "dictatorial".

[James Lehman]

Responsibility lies squarely on the laserist: a HUMAN.

Get REAL.

James.

[Laserman532]

You can't be socialistic and exclusionary. The word you're looking for is "fascistic", or possibly "dictatorial".

thats cool, i never went to formal college, i spent all my time in dark labs peeling back the forskins of technology, but I assume you knew what I meant.

[heroic]

thats cool, i never went to formal college

Neither did I. I spent the time I would have spent in college learning to make things go fast. :-)

[James Lehman]

So far, I'd have to say that the most compelling idea in this thread has come from carmangary.

I really like his reasoning about what if a DJ started shooting a BB gun into the audience.

That is a great analogy.

I agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY that the general public needs to know a hyper safe version of just how dangerous lasers can be even at low powers AND that not all lasers are the same ie: wavelength and / or pulsed.

In a way, it is the same reason why I think it is a bad idea to do any audience scanning. The general public simply can not make an informed decision for themselves about their own exposure tolerance.

James.

[James Lehman]

Something else just occurred to me.

If it's entirely up to ILDA to give out accreditations then they will take control over what all of us can use in the way of hardware.

I'm not just talking about the fact that our rigs will have to comply with a certain set of safety features. I totally agree with that.

I'm saying that they could very easily ban the use of such things as sound card DACs, making the professional display cards the only "legal" option.

This is why ILDA is treading on very thin ice. Situations like this are just waiting for antitrust laws to take them out completely.

James.

[gottaluvlasers]

hey james-

i assure you, especially after speaking with pat murphy this is the complete OPPOSITE of what this accreditation is set out to do!

trust me, i was right with you and a lot of other people. i was getting more and more pissed by the second over this whole proposal. but i would suggest reading through as much as you can of this proposal. ESPECIALLY the form i posted earlier. or even speak with pat.

the basis of this accreditation is pretty much 2 fold-

1. to ENHANCE the safety practices and AWARENESS of "professionals" AND enthusiasts, hobbyists, astronomers, WHOMEVER may be "displaying" lasers.

2. to set a standard of "goals" for a company, person, hobbyist, teacher, student, WHOMEVER...to achive to gain this "accreditted" title.

those, from what i have gathered from my conversations, are the MAIN principles.

this IS NOT to to see who has the biggest baddest lasers. who has the biggest baddest most expensive pangolin system. In fact, the accreditation form doesnt even ask what laser(s) you own or what system(s) you use to control it!

it, in essence breaks down to: (and i am OVERLY simplifying this and NOT using real numbers or scores...)

you need 50 points to become accredited.

-a simple nightclub show with one laser and a "simple" set up would be 2 points.
-a laser safety meeting would be 10 points
-a dual laser display with an ion system and a 3 phase power generator in the middle of a footbal field would be 15 poiints.
- a "pro-bono" laser show (free of charge) for american cancer society fundraiser would be 10 points.

now, whether you are Day star lasers, ct lasers, james lehman, buffo or hugo from (whatever company he is from) you can acquire these "points."

obviously, a company like me that is only one person on the payroll (me) (officially) will take a little longer to become "accreditted."

where as a company like Lightwave international would take about 14 seconds to become accreddited. actually, i believe i already meet the criteria, but thats besides the point.

so, i understand your concern and many others concerns. and i myself still have some unsettled questions. but i assure you this IS NOT directed toward a "Nazi regime" of laserists! quite the opposite actually. it is mostly to spread awareness and to have a central location of laserists to aim for a common goal of "professionalism!"

it isnt based on if you own 1 solid state laser at 3 watts. or if you own 12 pangolin systems. or 25 "laserboys." (actually, your software was spoken highly of by the way! )

it is simply based on, "do the right thing, and make other laserists proud!" (i made that up. but sounds good to me)

This proposal IS BASED on a "legal" laser display though! certified and varianced! you cant have an uncertified/unvarianced projector and expect to be "Accreditted!"

[carmangary]

you need 50 points to become accredited.

-a simple nightclub show with one laser and a "simple" set up would be 2 points.
-a laser safety meeting would be 10 points
-a dual laser display with an ion system and a 3 phase power generator in the middle of a footbal field would be 15 poiints.
- a "pro-bono" laser show (free of charge) for american cancer society fundraiser would be 10 points.

I like how if you do shows for cancer people you can get accredited faster. Makes perfect sense to me.

[James Lehman]

It's one thing to have ILDA insider information, like a list of ILDA members in good standing and such, but when ILDA wants to reach out and accredit even non member laserists, then we ALL have to ask Who is ILDA?

And do we (the non members) have a say about anything?

For that matter, why are there ANY non members?

James.

[carmangary]

ILDA is just a big club. Kind of like the American Kennel Club except for laser shows. Unless you have a pure bred laser show and intend to show it at one of the top AKC laser shows there isn't much need to worry about it. They aren't going to make it illegal to walk your mutt laser projector in the park. You and your friends can still have your own shows. You can still pick up chicks with your new baby laser scanner if it is cute enough. So no worries. Let the pros worry with the mess they are making for themselves and have fun with what you are doing.