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    Sorry Andy was in a rush before...
    not a problem mate

    Area = Pi x Radius Squared
    You're given diameters, so half the values and you get the radius.
    ah bugger yes, ive missed the simplest of thing, the measurment is in diameters not radius. school boy error!


    Then square that, and times by Pi. e.g. (0.1 / 2) = 0.05, squared = 0.0025, times pi = 0.007854 m^2
    Same for the other dimension, (0.08 / 2) = 0.04, sqaured = 0.0016, times pi = 0.0050265 m^2
    Subtract the smaller value from the larger value to get the effective area = 0.0028274 m^2
    yep the above is all fine makes sense

    The 3m length is for the later part in the question. You don't need it for the stress. Stresses are based upon the 2D area.
    ah i see thanks

    Stress is given by the force applied divided by the area of the part.
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    We know the force applied (400kN = 400,000N) and we've just worked out the area (0.0028274 m^2)
    So just plug the numbers in to get the stress:
    Stress = 400,000 / 0.0028274 = 141470000 Pascals = 141.47 MPa (Mega = 10^6)
    yes im still following. although MPa not 100% on that part?

    How's that?

    top notch, i pretty much get all that. the bit im really struggling with the strain, which is below.

    Edit: And for the second part:

    You know the pipe length = 3m
    The Young's Modulus for the material = 200,000 N/mm^2 (1 N/mm^2 = 1MPa), so you've got 200,000 MPa = 200,000 x 10^6 Pa
    umm not sure im fully getting the above? could we clarify that the ^ stands for

    Young's Modulus is found by, Stress divided by Strain
    We have worked out stress, and we are given Young's modulus, so the only unknown part is Strain.
    yep

    Strain is calculated by the change in length divided by the original starting length. = ∆L / L
    So we can swap the strain value in the Young's modulus equation for the ∆L/L part.
    To give:
    Young's Modulus = Stress / (∆L / L)
    Then re-arrange to give ∆L on it's own:
    Change in length = (Stress / Young's Modulus) * Original Length
    So plug in the numbers:
    Change in length = (141.47 x 10^6 / 200,000 x 10^6) * 3 = 2.12205 x 10^-3 m
    To convert into mm times by 1000 = 2.12mm extension
    Ummm yeah i think im with you

    You've just got to watch out for the units, and the rest will pop into place.
    Keep everything in S.I. units and you' can't go wrong.
    Forces in Pascals: (Pa), Distances in Meters, m. etc...

    Dan

    i need to type this out check everything and make sure i 100% get it. many thanks for your help.
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    We know the force applied (400kN = 400,000N) and we've just worked out the area (0.0028274 m^2)
    So just plug the numbers in to get the stress:
    Stress = 400,000 / 0.0028274 = 141470000 Pascals = 141.47 MPa (Mega = 10^6)
    yes im still following. although MPa not 100% on that part?

    MPa = Mega Pascals, the answer that pops out (141470000) is in Pascals. So it's just converting the units to make the number smaller. Like 14500 meters =14.5 km etc...


    The Young's Modulus for the material = 200,000 N/mm^2 (1 N/mm^2 = 1MPa), so you've got 200,000 MPa = 200,000 x 10^6 Pa
    umm not sure im fully getting the above? could we clarify that the ^ stands for

    The ^ means 'to the power of' e.g. 3^2 = three squared. It's just a shorter way to write really long numbers (10^6) = 1000000 = 1 million


    i need to type this out check everything and make sure i 100% get it. many thanks for your help.

    No probs, any time mate.

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    I wouldn't really call this a civil engineering problem... Anything with steel is mechanical engineering anything with concrete on the other hand is civil... but since the same laws apply it can be solved with the same calculations. Have you looked at hibbelers books? We use these at school and they are very clear and easy to understand
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    no ive got a chudley book
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    Quote Originally Posted by andy_con View Post
    chudley book
    That really sound like it should be cockney rhyming slang for "crook" or sommat

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    Daniel just working through this now, why did you convert 400nk into 400,000n ??? any real reason?



    We know the force applied (400kN = 400,000N) and we've just worked out the area (0.0028274 m^2)
    So just plug the numbers in to get the stress:
    Stress = 400,000 / 0.0028274 = 141470000 Pascals = 141.47 MPa (Mega = 10^6)
    yes im still following. although MPa not 100% on that part?

    MPa = Mega Pascals, the answer that pops out (141470000) is in Pascals. So it's just converting the units to make the number smaller. Like 14500 meters =14.5 km etc...
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    Drop me a line if you want me to send you some scanned pages of the book with some of the basics and good worked out examples (book is in english). Screw the copyrights (A)
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    Stress = Force/Surface= N/m^2 or kN/mm^2=Mpa
    So if you would fill in kN/m^2 instead of N/m^2 you would get kPa instead of MPa. It's not a problem as long as you understand that you have to divide it by 10^3 to get MPa


    Quote Originally Posted by andy_con View Post
    Daniel just working through this now, why did you convert 400nk into 400,000n ??? any real reason?



    We know the force applied (400kN = 400,000N) and we've just worked out the area (0.0028274 m^2)
    So just plug the numbers in to get the stress:
    Stress = 400,000 / 0.0028274 = 141470000 Pascals = 141.47 MPa (Mega = 10^6)
    yes im still following. although MPa not 100% on that part?

    MPa = Mega Pascals, the answer that pops out (141470000) is in Pascals. So it's just converting the units to make the number smaller. Like 14500 meters =14.5 km etc...
    Life is short.... Ride it hard!!

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    Basically what Frixion said.
    There are loads of shortcuts you can take with units to get things to cancel and whatnot, but if you stick to S.I. units everytime, you can't get it wrong. e.g. put everything in (Newtons) N and (Meters) m, and your answers will always be good.
    Sometimes things can go really wrong with the units, and questions sometime give you funny ones to make you convert it first.

    So I know it sounds like extra effort, but it will 99.99% get you the right answer in most cases.

    If you want to read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI
    If not, drop me a PM and give me a call.

    Ta,
    Dan

    Quote Originally Posted by andy_con View Post
    Daniel just working through this now, why did you convert 400nk into 400,000n ??? any real reason?



    We know the force applied (400kN = 400,000N) and we've just worked out the area (0.0028274 m^2)
    So just plug the numbers in to get the stress:
    Stress = 400,000 / 0.0028274 = 141470000 Pascals = 141.47 MPa (Mega = 10^6)
    yes im still following. although MPa not 100% on that part?

    MPa = Mega Pascals, the answer that pops out (141470000) is in Pascals. So it's just converting the units to make the number smaller. Like 14500 meters =14.5 km etc...

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    guys first question done and i think im understanding everything (well i hope so other wise im doomed to fail this course)

    im now working on the second question. heres the question -

    A 150mm concrete test cube is crushed in a testing machine. A load of800kn produces a reduction in height if 0.4mm.
    A - what is the stress in the cube
    B - what is the resulting strain
    C - what is the modulus of elasticity value of the concrete

    what ive got so far

    A - 800,000 / 0.150 = 5333333.33n/mm2

    B - not sure need a little help

    c - 5333333.33 / 200,000 = 26.22

    so change in length = 0.02mm

    am i getting there??
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