Over Unity Cranks

[Agent C]

The following is a rant and I'm posting it here because I feel most of us on PL are the other side of the coin from the free energy nuts. We like to tinker, we like electronics, but they are missing something. I apologize to anybody who takes offense at my use of the term crank or nut:

I have to make a post about this somewhere because it's becoming an obsession. I can't stop watching the videos over unity / free energy cranks post on youtube. It's a train wreck and I can't turn away. I want to shake them and get them to start taking their meds again. No matter if they are sincere, curious, crazy, or fraudsters, they all follow the same pattern:

1) Exhibit a complete lack of understanding of the scientific/experimental process. Some of these guys seem to know a good bit about building stuff or assembling circuits, etc. Science is about coming up with experiments to prove or disprove an idea. If your experiment only consists of reading the values on digital multimeter, come up with another experiment like "does this run twice as long when I do this?"

2) Complain about the "traditional" laws of physics like they these formulas written on stone that scientists pray to. The laws are nothing more than models that describe what has been observed. If they have a problem with it they need to complain to the universe.

3) Complain about the closed minded scientific establishment that has biased itself against outsiders with peer-review. Scientists live for proving each other wrong. The guy who asserted that H. Pylori caused stomach ulcers had an uphill battle, but he also got the 2005 Nobel Prize in medicine because he was right, and he did it with good science. Part of good science is good experiments, and hooking some coils together and reading with a DMM is not a good experiment.

4) Explain things with Zero Point Energy extraction and appeal to the spirit of Nikola Tesla. I like Tesla, he was a smart guy, but *everything* he did fits within the frame of physics as we understand it today.

5) Blame the MIB, gov't, big oil, youtube/goole, etc for supression. This is where I really get the feeling many of these people need to be on antipsychotics. "If my idea for free energy gets out, the powers that be will crumble and global blah blah blah." The industrial revolution, the transistor, automation, fiber optics, none of these were suppressed. Bandwidth is getting so cheap, sales people at AT&T are wondering if they are gonna have to start flipping burgers.

I feel bad for the sincere ones... maybe I should send them a copy of this. Many of them seem genuinely interested in electronics and have taught themselves a good deal, but life is short and they are wasting theirs imo by following an idea perpetuated (no pun intended) by fraudsters. Many feel this is how they will help hummanity. If they really want to help hummanity they need to get on the winning team. If one is inclined to do energy research, fine, work really hard to get a degree in EE and do it or build medical devices or anything. Am I taking this too personally, is this class warfare against those of us with science or creative careers, is this a reflection of the sad state of science education?

Ok I feel better now, time for a cold one and I can get back to working on my app.

~C

[GooeyGus]

I hate you... I just spent the last half hour watching these videos on youtube lol...

Yeah these guys are a little whacky... they just dont get it I guess.


OMG GUYS LOOK FREE ENERGY!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMQqn...eature=related

[Laserman532]

Funny you should mention that... (and I am not offended)

about 3 years ago I started to get real hot and heavy into the Free Energy Cult, I was trapped hook line & sinker. I studied everything from the SMOT Beldinies, Pulse motors, perpetual motion and into magnet motors. I even developed a scale version of the Perendev magnet motor all very precise and replica in detail. Of course it didnt work, so my joke was that it is not a good motor but an excellent brake. (it was supposed to be a magnet motor) I spend thousands of hours of research and my video is everywhere.

Here is my video of the laser cut scale model of a Perendev Magnet Motor that I made and it never worked, but it is such a hot topic right now I am fastly approaching 400,000 views. enjoy... me trying to break the first law of thermodynamics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsWh...e=channel_page

[300EVIL]

Schematic of said "free energy" brushless fan circuit...

[300EVIL]

Funny you should mention that... (and I am not offended)

about 3 years ago I started to get real hot and heavy into the Free Energy Cult, I was trapped hook line & sinker. I studied everything from the SMOT Beldinies, Pulse motors, perpetual motion and into magnet motors. I even developed a scale version of the Perendev magnet motor all very precise and replica in detail. Of course it didnt work, so my joke was that it is not a good motor but an excellent brake. (it was supposed to be a magnet motor) I spend thousands of hours of research and my video is everywhere.

Here is my video of the laser cut scale model of a Perendev Magnet Motor that I made and it never worked, but it is such a hot topic right now I am fastly approaching 400,000 views. enjoy... me trying to break the first law of thermodynamics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgsWh...e=channel_page

Those are pretty cool and actually work to a point (not really perpetual motion) as I understand, the magnets eventually loose their polarity due to force/heat and or both.

Here's a video of one that "appears" to work pretty damn good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGiW...eature=related

[Laserman532]

*buzzzzzzzzzzz* WRONG...that is the motor that I made my design around. The debate for many years is that there was someone on the other side of the motor spinning it up with some type of motor. Then when the camera swings around the other side they have already opened the clamshells and it is starting to wind down, NOW if you look very carefully the video is edited where there is a split second where an extention cord on the floor majically dissappears and some one walks out of the frame. THis guy took a ton of investor money and left the country (many countries for that matter) I studied this desing, every aspect of it for maybe a couple hundred hours before I built my replica of this design.

watch the video again, this video has been picked apart a million times, as a matter of fact he is the origional magnet motor "scam artist"

[Lasernerd]

*buzzzzzzzzzzz* WRONG...that is the motor that I made my design around. The debate for many years is that there was someone on the other side of the motor spinning it up with some type of motor. Then when the camera swings around the other side they have already opened the clamshells and it is starting to wind down, NOW if you look very carefully the video is edited where there is a split second where an extention cord on the floor majically dissappears and some one walks out of the frame. THis guy took a ton of investor money and left the country (many countries for that matter) I studied this desing, every aspect of it for maybe a couple hundred hours before I built my replica of this design.

watch the video again, this video has been picked apart a million times, as a matter of fact he is the origional magnet motor "scam artist"

you are right!
You can see a shadow of a person bottom left of the image,,and the cords vanish,also the shaft is polished a little at the end

[drlava]

Yeah, it's disturbing how much time is wasted in endeavors like these.. In the past I have read of a few designs and most of the time the guys debating it don't know the definitions of power and energy, use them interchangeabley, or call a force energy. Then there are the over-unity machines that use batteries to operate, with some explanation that the battery is needed because its chemical reaction is needed to help access the vacuum flux energy, etc.

what a load.

[Laserman532]

to my knowledge the only device that even comes close to over unity is called a SMOT device, you can find it on youtube or google or on every forum. However even it "might" function it would produce less energy than a dying fire fly.

There are others using water wheels in creeks and they can be made almost free to charge batteries and that also comes close to "free energy"

(i know that is off topic, but I could run to my neighbors house at night with an extension cord also could be concerned Free energy)

I studied this stuff for a long time, and I thought I was going to be the one to solve it I built a couple of perpetual machines using magnets as accelerators to increase swing height. But physics (laws of thermodynamics) are almost impossible to break.

Out of my years of study...the most interesting "phenom" I found was the mystery surrounding Coral Castle in Florida. It still baffles me today.

[SilentShaddow]

My responce to these kinds of projects (to the people that actually believe it) is very simple.

I dont believe it, there is only one way to change my mind. For the device (that dooesnt use magnets (ie the device isnt using up the elctromagentic energy in the magents)) build a device that only uses the energy from a wieght on a string rotating round a motor (not a battery) to start the device. You get to call it free energy when the device can rotate a motor to pull the wieght back up a string and further.
If it contains magnets the magnets have to still be able to pick up a paperclip from a pretermined height, ie all the energy has been disappated

Nobody has managed that yet. Mostly I have very little patience for people that havent looked into acutal physics, for example seem confused when I ask them to account for the energy that is ommited through heat or noice.

The closest anybody came was they created a motor type arrangement, and it actually worked! He put no energy in other then flipping a switch and the motor started and it light a lightbulb very well. Something was wrong though, it was easy to spot, he had used a huge capacitor (relatively) and funny enough it didnt work once I had discharged the capacitor.

For those that have thought about it I mostly reccount that Ive had similar thoughts about this kind of thing, when I was 12, in science class I drew a similar device that I imagined could hang in space, held in place by magents to remove friction that when could spin freely, the free spinning disk could hold magnets that would rotate forever generating electricity.

Simple huh? I thought so, I did some doodles and way worrying about getting the energy back to earth until I show it to my science teacher. She simply explained that magnets had magnetic energy like other forms of energy and that they could be used up. I hold her I didnt believe her, so she quite simply picked up a magent and hit it with a hammer quite alot.
The magnet wouldnt pick up any more paperclips, the magnetic energy had transfer into sound and heat amongst other things.