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    Default Physicists prove hindsight (and sometimes foresight) is 20/20

    According to recent photon entanglement research, the state of entangled photons which is recorded before a later entanglement gate is activated or inactivated is determined by the gate’s state before its state is decided. The researchers generated two independent pairs of entangled photons, and measured the state of one photon from each of the pairs before sending the other photon from each pair down a 108m optical delay line. As the photons traveled down the line, a quantum random number generator decided if an entanglement gate at the end of the delay line would be in an entanglement state or a pass state. If it was set to an entanglement state, the entire 4 photon system would be entangled, influencing the states of the originally measured photon pair, despite the fact the measurement was already recorded and those photons destroyed. If the gate was set to a ‘pass’ state, the photon pairs would not be entangled, and the probability curve of the measured states of the two photon pairs would not be correlated.

    The results show that, when the gate state was used to filter the state data from the recordings of the initial photon pairs, statically the states indicate that when the gate was to be in the ‘pass’ state, the photon pairs were not entangled, and when the gate state was to be in the entangle state, the photon pairs were entangled, despite the fact that their states were recorded before the gate state was decided.

    Unfortunately, the statistics cannot be used to convey information into the past, so to speak, because the state of the gate is required to know which way the photon pairs should be correlated. Without the gate state information, their states just appear as noise. So causality is preserved despite the apparent time-decision paradox.

    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1203/1203.4834.pdf
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    So, the description that is used to describe the results of the quantum version of the two slit experiment; that each photon has traveled all PATHS between the source and the screen is incomplete. They have also travled all TIMES from launch to measurement.

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    I understood i think 7 words in that post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gottaluvlasers View Post
    I understood i think 7 words in that post!

    LOL.

    Y'all some smart mofos!!!

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    I've heard of matter and energy being translated from one form to another, but never heard of photons being destroyed

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    you just need really small hammers.

    haven't you heard of E=mcHammer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchammonds View Post
    I've heard of matter and energy being translated from one form to another, but never heard of photons being destroyed
    suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dchammonds View Post
    I've heard of matter and energy being translated from one form to another, but never heard of photons being destroyed
    I think it's destroyed not in the absolute sense, but as in "destroyed" when they're converted to electrons in the act of measuring/observing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taggalucci View Post
    I think it's destroyed not in the absolute sense, but as in "destroyed" when they're converted to electrons in the act of measuring/observing.
    Is this about pair production- something about the condensation of energy back to matter (e equals mc squared in reverse) complete with an electron and a positron as used in
    Commander Data's positronic brain?

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    Well they aren't converted to electrons, they just deliver their energy to the electron, which, in a PMT detector as used here, causes a cascading amplification effect as energetic electrons are able to 'leap' down the potential gradient between plates, gaining energy in the process.

    planters, apt description.

    EDIT: oops, they used an SPCM detector, not a PMT. This could be a photodiode.

    mixedgas, you're assigned to build the optic circuit in figure 2, I expect a testable result by Friday
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    well these guys probably worked a lot with lasers so probably not 20/20 anymore lol

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    If one views the quantum state as a real physical object, one could get the seemingly paradoxical situation that
    future actions appear as having an influence on past and already irrevocably recorded events. However, there is
    never a paradox if the quantum state is viewed as to be no more than a “catalogue of our knowledge.”
    Well that takes the fun out of it!

    According to Wheeler, Bohr said: “No elementary phenomenon is a phenomenon until it is a registered phenomenon.”
    We would like to extend this by saying: “Some registered phenomena do not have a meaning unless they are put in
    relationship with other registered phenomena.”
    Rats! I was hoping to figure out how to employ quantum mechanics to predict lotto numbers...

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