Eye damage at Tomorrowland ?

[aijii]

hellfire up the butt

[colouredmirrorball]

Update on this: the court judged ID&T not guilty on the charges of eye damage.

Articles: http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuw...rrowland_laser and http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/det...30212_00466748

Summary in English:
The judge decided that ID&T, the organisator of Tomorrowland, is not responsible for the eye damage of the two visitors, who got severe eye damage caused by lasers in the 2009 edition. One of the victims declared that she experienced a black stripe on her eyes after getting hit with a bright light from the stage. After a visit to the eye doctor, it was determined that the damage was caused by lasers.
According to ID&T the damage was caused by laser pointers (and ILDA follows this explanation).
Sadly, this verdict means that the victims can't get a compensation for the eye damage.

[astatic]

I felt really sorry for these visitors.
Even it was a laser pointer then still the organization should take there responsibility.
They (security company) had to check on the entrance that these "weapons" would not enter the event, so in that case i think there still have a responsibility (in my opinion).
It's a cheap and irresponsible opportunity to get away with it, or am i the only one who thinks like his?
But as long as no one can tell which laser was responsible for the damage the judge (or i should say law) cannot convict anyone and the victim will be on it's own.

[White-Light]

I'm guessing they may have sued for the wrong thing.

I haven't read above where the judgement is because these days I don't have time and can't be bothered, but if they only sued for damage against the company in respect of alleged damage from their display, then they were in my opinion short sighted.

Given that the company had already raised a defence that it wasn't their lasers responsible but rather people within the crowd, it should have been alleged in the alternate in my opinion that they were negligent for failing to carry out proper security checks. Given that many large events do carry out thorough searches for drugs etc, at least in the UK, and such searches should have turned up the pointers, there would have been are a reasonable chance over here of winning on such an argument I would have thought.

If they did allege that and were unsuccessful, then that is unfortunate. In the UK I feel that would have had a reasonable chance of success.

[highvolt]

So they took the easy way out and stick it on some guys laser pointer... since it's hard to prove any of this.

But I was there, I'm quite sure which laser they were talking about. Me and my friends did not go into that particular tent because of the laser.
If you look a couple of posts back, you can read my full story with some pictures included.

The laser safety was noticeably higher the next year. The only audience scanning they did was from much further away. So they took measures.

There was just too much to lose if ID&T was found guilty.

[astatic]

So they took the easy way out and stick it on some guys laser pointer... since it's hard to prove any of this.

But I was there, I'm quite sure which laser they were talking about. Me and my friends did not go into that particular tent because of the laser.
If you look a couple of posts back, you can read my full story with some pictures included.

The laser safety was noticeably higher the next year. The only audience scanning they did was from much further away. So they took measures.

There was just too much to lose if ID&T was found guilty.

Could be, we will never know.
Only the girl who is injured could tell where she has seen these lasers where she got injured with (inside a tent or outside).
But blaming the laserpointers and got away with it is to easy if you ask me in this case, if there power is more then 5mw there are not allow in the Netherlands, this was Belgium it could be different over there.
Security should have checked for pointers like they normally do when you enter the venue, and even when one is passing the checkup there should be a officer around the venue who should has noticed it, there where more then 1 visitors who agree there where several pointers active at the sight.
When i see one during my shows i press the emergency button and will ask the security to remove the pointer or i won't go with the show.
Pointers are our most concern these days, they could bring you in big trouble!
When they do an investment we always have to show we (laserists) did a safe show, because some lunatic wants to play with a laserpointer and got away with it and we loose hours on proofing it wasn't us
It won't take that long anymore until the rules got tighter, and i believe it aint a bad thing as i see some shows these days.

[depo]

Go go go go. Legal team.

[-bart-]

And explain to me how your post is constructive? or did you just want to jump on the band wagon?

Go go go go. Legal team.

[edison]

I think the eyedamage could easily be prevented with the safetylenses from Pangolin or the ones that Mccarrot uses. If laserimage did the shows (i didn,t read the whole post so it might be revealed already) then the 600usd is nothing compared to the eyedamage that the girl has. Second. the Safetylens set of Pangolin is hugely overpriced and expencive so not allot of hobbiest that doing shows for fun or for free beer and 50 euro,s to cover there expences.

The lenses are 20usd each to manufacture in quantaties of 50 or so. Yes we care about that people doing safe lasershows as long as we can make money out of it. At least Mccarrot is doing the right thing and has them reasonable priced

Manufactures of projectors should include them in buying a projector althoug its not their responsibility at least it helps. I think there are still allot of laserenthousiast and people that don,t have a clue how dangerous a laser can be.

just my 2 cents....

[-bart-]

you clearly haven't read the whole thread.

Besides ...

the Safetylens set of Pangolin is hugely overpriced

How do you react when people call your products overpriced ?

Yes we care about that people doing safe lasershows as long as we can make money out of it

And exactly who was it, who installed two ~4 watt 445 projectors at the marrum lem, scan distance <3m, without emergency stop, without bam, without safetylenses, unattended ?