Wicked Lasers' new lasers

[buffo]

The last 2 reviews on this forum are from dangerous toys (200mW pointers)

They might be dangerous, but they are *LEGAL*. And I do not support any sort of ban on a legal, certified laser product - even if it happens to be a hand-held.

We could start stop writing reviews on this forum.

And that would do what, exactly? Are you so dense that you think this single act is going to have any effect on the way hand-helds are used in the future? If so, you are deluding yourself.

Don't you guys agree high powered pointers do more harm (people injured, pilots distracted) then they do good?

I agree that a small minority of people are doing harm with them. I do not support a ban on these products based on that small minority.

As I've stated before SEVERAL times, most professional laserists I've met also own at least one high-powered hand-held. And I'll be damned if I'll condemn them with the same knee-jerk legislation that you want to pass just to try to stop the pointer jockey crowd. We've had enough of that throughout our history already, and anyone with an ounce of perception can tell you now what the effectiveness of such legislation would be. (That is: zero.)

More to the point, the pointers being misused by these idiots are (for the most part) *already* illegal! That is, they do *NOT* conform to the federal requirements and are thus illegal to sell or import. And you see how well that ban has worked to stop them, haven't you? So now you want to make them "more illegal" because surely that will stop the problem? That is beyond stupid.

No, Wicked is doing the right thing. They are selling their lasers legally, as certified laser products. Which puts the onus on the end user to be safe with it. And if they are not safe, then that is where the enforcement needs to be. Not on the manufacturer.

Adam

[mccarrot]

More to the point, the pointers being misused by these idiots are (for the most part) *already* illegal! That is, they do *NOT* conform to the federal requirements and are thus illegal to sell or import. And you see how well that ban has worked to stop them, haven't you? So now you want to make them "more illegal" because surely that will stop the problem? That is beyond stupid.

No, Wicked is doing the right thing. They are selling their lasers legally, as certified laser products. Which puts the onus on the end user to be safe with it. And if they are not safe, then that is where the enforcement needs to be. Not on the manufacturer.

Adam

Yes, you are right about wicket is doing the right thing.

But now its extremly simple to get your hand on a high powered pointer, making them "more illegal" (like guns) will make sure you cannot buy those HPPointers simply on ebay.

[lasersbee]

Yes, you are right about wicket is doing the right thing.
But now its extremly simple to get your hand on a high powered pointer

Man... McCarrot....

It has always been easy to get laser pointers of any available power...not
just now....

You still don't see the big picture....

First you're crying about banning illegal pointer lasers worldwide...
Now that it has been shown that the WL Review Lasers are Legal......
you change your tune...

Now you're crying that certified Legal portable lasers need to be banned...

What's your problem... (other than being a Troll...)

Like you said before... just ignore this Thread... you will not change anyone's
mind with your rants... as you can obviously see if you read the posts...

Cry all you want about banning Legal Lasers.... "It ain't gonna happen" in the
near future...

BTW... Why don't you start a petition in your own country to ban ALL lasers...
then you wont need to worry about which ones are legal or not... or "cool" or not..
Then you can start another petition to ban those new "Mega-Lumen" Flashlights...
and so on and so on and so on.....


Jerry

[mccarrot]

Like you said before... just ignore this Thread... you will not change anyone's
mind with your rants... as you can obviously see if you read the posts...
Jerry

You are right, I was hoping on more support from the cumminity, but is useless to have a debate with LPF members about this topic.

I will rest my case.

[liteglow]

I dont bother to make one more Thread about the WL 455 !

Many ppl here ask if they are concerned that the laser show industry will be hard when more ppl can buy cheap blue projectors .

But is ANYBODY concerned about the fact that WL have "Pre-sold" more than thousand (1000pc) of 1W blue 455 handheld laser pointers !?!!?!?!?
And when I say 1000 pc, that is a very safe number, the truth is that they probably have sold more than 3000pc if you look at the sold pr hour static...

Imagine 3000 new kids in the world that WILL point this blue 1W beast of a pointer up in the sky to target some airplane and choppers.. well I start think that even a terrorist would buy a 1Watt to target some airplanes that try to land !!


I`m not scared that there will be many DJ`s with blue lasers.
I`m scared that this can maybe KILL the right to own a laser in the future... laser will become on the NOT LEAGAL list next to heroine ..

[norty303]

I dont bother to make one more Thread about the WL 455 !

Many ppl here ask if they are concerned that the laser show industry will be hard when more ppl can buy cheap blue projectors .

But is ANYBODY concerned about the fact that WL have "Pre-sold" more than thousand (1000pc) of 1W blue 455 handheld laser pointers !?!!?!?!?
And when I say 1000 pc, that is a very safe number, the truth is that they probably have sold more than 3000pc if you look at the sold pr hour static...

Imagine 3000 new kids in the world that WILL point this blue 1W beast of a pointer up in the sky to target some airplane and choppers.. well I start think that even a terrorist would buy a 1Watt to target some airplanes that try to land !!


I`m not scared that there will be many DJ`s with blue lasers.
I`m scared that this can maybe KILL the right to own a laser in the future... laser will become on the NOT LEAGAL list next to heroine ..

I'm more concerned about how many of them will show up at events I'm doing, and what the correct course of action should be.

Should it be to immediately shut down and contact the client and request the offending article/person be removed, and the show will recommence afterwards? Someone earlier raised the issue of burden of proof over whether it was the laser display that caused the injury, or the pointer, and this concerns me greatly....

[taggalucci]

they probably have sold more than 3000pc if you look at the sold pr hour static...

They'd have to have one hell of a good supply of Casio projectors

[buffo]

Rumor has it that Casio is aware of Wicked Lasers' new product, as well as where they are getting the diodes from. Care to guess what Casio's next move might be in that situation?

Also, try this on for size: Given that the diodes tend to run hot (sometimes *very* hot), how did they (Wicked) manage to provide adequate cooling for their new pointer, especially when it's supposedly running at a full watt of output power? (Hint: Maybe they didn't...)

Remember, as of yet, no one has actually seen one of these pointers in the wild. So maybe, just maybe, they advertised them before they were ready... Admit it: it's a definite possibility. Maybe they thought they could engineer a better cooling solution and are still having trouble doing so. Or maybe they never intended to sell any of them in the first place (which would explain the absurdly low price), and are just doing all this for the publicity bonus.

After all, they've already hit the front page of Slashdot and Gizmodo, which has got to be a good thing for their sales numbers. Even if they never sell any blue ones, they're sure to sell more of the greens, reds, and violets that they already have ready to go...

I freely admit that I have no hard evidence to back this up. It's just a hunch based on the fact that no one has seen one in the wild yet, and that several people have reported significant heat problems when running the diodes flat out. Also, I've heard reports of people getting their money refunded to them via PayPal for orders they've placed with Wicked for the new blue units. To me, that sounds fishy.

But wouldn't it totally suck balls if a publicity stunt on Wicked's part ended up causing a huge shit storm over these diodes? Especially if the result was legal action by Casio, or worse, increased regulatory pressure by the CDRH, either one of which could impact the availability of these diodes for hobbyists? It's the law of unintended consequences all over again.

Something to think about, anyway...

Adam

[dsli_jon]

Care to guess what XXXXX's next move might be in that situation?

... not to mention how the *manufacturer* of the targeted-component has got to 'feel' about all this...

- as our good friend 'LM532' might-so 'poetically put it':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMEftV6NTpE

....*gulp*....

...we'll hafta see...
j

[mixedgas]

Before all of you go banning "battery powered hand held" lasers, remember that a primary tool for identifying unknown hazmat and explosives is a hand held Raman spectrometer, with a IR laser diode as the source.

Please try to come up with a better wording then "battery powered" and "Hand Held"

Steve