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    Thumbs down Cool effects, but lousy execution. What ever happened to safety?

    Sorry Johnathan, but if you were trying to convince me of your safety consciousness, that video didn't do it. Where are your gloves? And what is the little kid (maybe 7 years old?) doing that close to the pan with the frozen orange in it? You should have had a chair or two blocking the path between the island and the counter-top so he couldn't get so close.

    I agree it's fun to play with LN2, and I'll admit I've done a few of the things you did in that video, but with that many people around I would have been a *lot* safer, both to set the proper example and to protect myself and the guests.

    For one, I would have been wearing goggles (or at least safety glasses) to protect my eyes from splashes while pouring. Also when pouring from the flask, I would have worn an apron. And I would have been wearing gloves whenever working over the open pan of LN2. (For the record, I wear gloves even when working with dry ice.)

    Have you ever seen the aftermath of an LN2 burn? I have, and it's positively HORRIBLE. I've seen fingers blackened by the stuff. In one case, it resulted in a partial amputation. (Gangrene is nasty.) Just one slip with that dewar flask while you were pouring and you would have been in deep trouble. (And what if that orange had dropped out of the tongs while you had it suspended nearly a foot above the pan? That shit would have splashed everywhere.)

    OK - no one got hurt and everyone had fun, and they even got to eat ice cream. Yay! But it was still irresponsible in my book.

    Adam

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    Ok, I see where your coming from on the gloves, however, I asked several physics professors from my local college and they all suggested doing demonstrations without gloves. The reason being is because when the liquid gets in the gloves, the material absorbs it and holds it against your skin, whereas if you have bare skin it simply vaporizes or rolls off and vaporizes before hitting the ground (Some scientists say the safest way to work with LN2 is in the nude ). With the orange, what wasn't obvious in the video is that the orange had no liquid nitrogen remaining on it or in it (It looked like I was pulling it from a pan full of LN2 and that it was full of it, however all the LN2 in the pan had vaporized and I had let the orange sit in the open air of the empty pan for about a minute). The liquid nitrogen never made it to the pan that the kids were standing next to (agreed I should have waited longer, or had it further from them, this was my very first demonstration). The pot got so cold it produced water vapor and a thick layer of ice for the following 15-20 minutes. Trust me my safety standards have gone up dramatically since then, I even bought a pair of goggles. BTW, your right, I totally could have dropped the orange that was a result of my lack of experience, luckily I didn't because the tongs were perforated. But, I've thrown the liquid in the air before and during the summer it vaporizes almost immediately after being thrown. One of my college friends said his professor threw a cup of it over the classes head! (definitely a bad idea). Like you said, it definitely lacked industry safety standards, but I've been working with the stuff a while now, and not only have my safety standards gone up, been I've become more skillful with the stuff. I've been burned by it b4 (that was while working on a demonstration at the science theater where I volunteered. They had a difficult demo that involved closing it off in film canisters to make little rockets.), it hurt but since I was only exposed to a tiny amount, it did no damage. I don't have any video of my other demonstrations, but believe me I normally have goggles, and I normally have the "active" area blocked off. The little kid (my 8 year old brother, you were close, less than a year off ), wouldn't stay back although I kept pushing him away. He wasn't tall enough to see over the island. Eventually my dad pulled him away and held him up.
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    The gloves I wear when working with ultra-cold materials are cryo-gloves (bought them at National Welders Supply for around $15 back in 2000 or so) that have an ultra-smooth leather outer surface that is almost impervious to liquids on it's own. Beneath that is a flexible PVC layer that acts as a second liquid barrier. The insides are lined with Thinsulate.

    They work extremely well, and are quite comfortable. Might want to check with your local LN2 supplier and see if they still sell them. (They're much easier to work in than the old metalized cryo-gloves.)

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    Wow. You really got a pair of cryo gloves for 15 dollars? When I checked at air gas, they said they didn't carry any (odd that the carry almost every cryogen known to man but no gloves. ). Maybe it's just my local airgas that doesn't carry them. Anyway, I checked online, and the cheapest I found were around 100 dollars. Could you tell me the brand? I will check into buying a pair.

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    The label has long since worn off, but the look similar to these gloves. (Obviously not the same, as the link above is just for a standard pair of work gloves, but they're close to this - except the outer leather is cream-colored.) The PVC under-liner is blue.

    Apparently National Welders (where I bought mine) is a regional chain, and they just got bought out by Air Gas recently... Not sure if NW still sells them or not. And yeah, they must have been marked down. Even on E-bay they're going for $75 to $100 these days. Guess I got lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Laser View Post
    Yeserday due the lack of dryice (Long weekend) we tried a fog machine with a chiller at the front. Antari something. Look up. We loaded it with ice and tried. Whata crup. No really it was as usable as 20 years old PC. Fog stays @ the ground for a meter or 2 and then it just goes up becoming a regular fog from a fog machine. This ice cooling thing may work in a small 5X5 meter room but it's totally useless for anything bigger then that. Then our guy came with a bag of dryice . We empty the chiller from ice and loaded dry ice. Well it worked but fog machine worked only for 30 seconds and then needed to reheat for 30 seconds. The power of fog machine wasn't powerful enough (1000W) to push smoke to any distance. It would be ok for a stage show but due the reheating it's useless.

    Don't rely on the fog machine to push the fog onto the stage, especially if you need to pump it through a chiller.

    A high volume fan (like a car blower) works VERY well to create a steady stream of fog on a stage, look for the centrifugal (snail shell) kind. These create a laminar airflow (not like your PC fan) which makes a very nice jet of fog.

    When you're lucky, you can find a combo of a car heater's radiator tied to the blower fan. Running chilled water through the radiator and blowing the fog straight through that might work, if not, mix the fog with chilled air surrounding it.

    The trick to keeping the fog low is keeping it cool and *forcing* it onto the stage. I've been in a venue where they had a fogger blowing straight through a 230V A/C blower, and it went straight down only to stay there. If the fog heats up, it'll disperse evenly upwards if you have the setup right.

    As a second trick I always try to keep a bit of crossdraft on the stage to keep the smoke moving, if you keep the wind a little over the fog, the turbulence will keep forcing it down or spread it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffo View Post
    Hmmm... I never heard that before. How long will it stay "extra bright" after you nuke a fresh one? Are we talking about just a few seconds, or more like 10 minutes here? (Starts thinking about all sorts of things to do with extra bright glowsticks...)

    Adam
    Heh, trying to conjure up an amateur chemically-pumped laser here? I'm with you on that one

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    Default low fog

    check out that video of our low fog machine:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBnRjGQp9o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Cavaleru View Post
    check out that video of our low fog machine:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJBnRjGQp9o
    There is fog in the video?
    This space for rent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dnar View Post
    There is fog in the video?
    maybe you like that version

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y49HxFcB59U

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