Commercial NON Varienced laser shows

[Corporall Clegg]

16 occurrences. The VAST majority of which are technicians working the show or pilots flying through the show.. Two cases of audience members being affected including the Russian incident..

The pilots' cases were most disturbing to me, but if I were doing illegal laser shows in the US, I wouldn't be doing them outdoors with multi-watt systems. Kind of attracts a bit of attention...

Wow I am surprised that this thread is still active, FYI the Individual I spoke of in the beginning of this thread uses a 40w RGB outdoors (or so I have heard from him) he mentioned he actually contacts the local air traffic ops (how this is done im not shure and i wonder if its bs) when he uses this 40w but i do wonder how one could contact air traffic control and not be asked for legal paperwork.

[Corporall Clegg]

I think I said MULTIPLE times in this thread that I do not, and do not plan on doing commercial shows. so I am providing an "outsiders" point of view as someone that works with various licensed services that can be equally/if not more dangerous than lasers




your thinking of a criminal case where you are innocent until proven guilty... if you are sued you are in civil court, where you are basically guilty until proven innocent...

The only reason I started this thread is because the individual I speak of -ONLY DOSE COMMERCIAL SHOWS ,and dose them in some high ticket venues that you have heard of, makes a crap load of money doing it, has ALOT of dollars invested in his equiment multipule 4w rgb as in over ten and a few 20 30 and 40 w rgb and single color and not 1 varience, his sol income is derived from lasers and he dose not care nor will he even attempt to make his operation legal, in my opinion running lasers in your home or for friends and family is not a legal issue but - making thousands of dollars monthly and using your "illegal" lasers to bring in your only form of income is to me not only illegal but in my opinion slightly imoral hence why I started this thread.

[mophead]

multipule 4w rgb as in over ten and a few 20 30 and 40 w rgb and single color and not 1 varience, his sol income is derived from lasers and he dose not care nor will he even attempt to make his operation legal,

If this is indeed true someone needs to drop a dime.

Surely to goodness with all that equipment and high profile gigs, surely, one would think, he would be legal. I'm not doubting your word Corporall, it just blows my mind.

[DMills]

he actually contacts the local air traffic ops (how this is done im not shure and i wonder if its bs) when he uses this 40w but i do wonder how one could contact air traffic control and not be asked for legal paperwork.

Depends a lot on which country, in the UK for example there is a form you fill in with location, direction, nearest airport, a contact number for the operator during the show and a few other details that you send to the CAA 28 days in advance of the show.

They then handle issuing the NOTAM and shouting at any general aviation that ignores it. Seems to work pretty well most of the time, and if needs be they can call you and ask you to shut down while they sort a problem.

Things do of course get radically more complex if you are close to an airport, or directly aligned with a runway, but most of the time they are pretty helpful.

I am assuming that something similar exists in the US (Probably involving exponentially more paperwork)

Regards, Dan.

[Corporall Clegg]

If this is indeed true someone needs to drop a dime.

Surely to goodness with all that equipment and high profile gigs, surely, one would think, he would be legal. I'm not doubting your word Corporall, it just blows my mind.

I assure you 100% that he is not legal he has told me so himself and thats not an issue to brag about

[Corporall Clegg]

Depends a lot on which country, in the UK for example there is a form you fill in with location, direction, nearest airport, a contact number for the operator during the show and a few other details that you send to the CAA 28 days in advance of the show.

They then handle issuing the NOTAM and shouting at any general aviation that ignores it. Seems to work pretty well most of the time, and if needs be they can call you and ask you to shut down while they sort a problem.

Things do of course get radically more complex if you are close to an airport, or directly aligned with a runway, but most of the time they are pretty helpful.

I am assuming that something similar exists in the US (Probably involving exponentially more paperwork)

Regards, Dan.

He just mentiond a phone call, Im guessing if there was paperwork involved he woulden't bother because of his lack of varience

[glorocks]

Steve is right about outdoor lasers in Vegas. I worked lasers for 15 years there, and my last employer wanted to do a very limited display that would be terminated on the side of the monorail track. After 3 months of sweet talking and developing a system to detect helicopters landing in the parking lot, I had the FAA on board.
When I approached the CDRH, I was told in no uncertain terms that there would never be another outdoor variance issued in Vegas.
Meanwhile, the term used by CDRH is "introduction into commerce" and it can mean just about anything they want it to. During many inspections by the fed, I was told that the inspector's personal assessment of the operator's common sense and safety awareness can make or break the deal. I've yet to get a variance without talking to somebody on the phone back there.
Jay

[glorocks]

Doc Icabucci (Rocktronics) once said that tort law should be sufficient to regulate laser shows.