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    Quote Originally Posted by buffo View Post
    If you think it's such an easy problem to solve, then why aren't there any other commercial solutions out there right now for a beam brush device that can be installed in a projector?
    Because nobody's software supports it

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    Quote Originally Posted by heroic View Post
    So it's still an order of magnitude slower than the focus servo in a blu-ray sled, then
    Hehe. As far as I know not... For our patent application and to make a valid comparison, I measured the force out of a Bluray (and other disc player) actuators. I powered them with a 9 volt battery and measured the force output with our force gauge (in Newtons). With the 9 volt battery, there was so much current flowing through the wires, that it smoked -- so this is really far more current than would typically be seen. Nevertheless, at 9 volts I took this overestimate as gospel (which is of course conservative when comparing ones self with the competition). So I am pretty sure I know the maximum force capable from one of these devices. We also measured the moving mass as well.

    What we measured with the disk player heads was a peak force output of 0.2 Newtons and with a moving mass of 0.3 grams.

    By comparison, the peak force attainable from our actuator is 77 Newtons (good memory Adam) and the moving mass is only 4 grams. This gives a peak linear acceleration of 19,250 meters per second squared!

    So it seems that our device has nearly 300 times the linear acceleration capability of a typical disk player actuator.

    Quote Originally Posted by heroic View Post
    Because nobody's software supports it
    Hehe. LD for Windows, released in 1992 supported Beam Brush. LD2000 does as well. Anyone can go do the "View/Beam diameter" menu to find it.

    We considered ourselved to be software developers, and if we only implemented the software to do it, someone would eventually make hardware to do it. Well, it turns out we were wrong... So it seems we must do it ourselves.

    In fact we currently have three candidate devices on the drawing board. This project has turned out to be more difficult than even I expected. The reason why these things don't exist is because it's so difficult!

    We have already accomplished an amazing feat in terms of the peak and RMS force from this actuator, and the moving mass. The suspension is the trickiest part, and there are yet other tricky parts too. Nevertheless we are making progress on this...

    Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by heroic View Post
    Because nobody's software supports it
    Pangolin supports it. In fact, I think it's been supported for over a decade. (And how much market share do they have again?) It is most certainly a product with a viable market.

    This is not a new idea. People have been talking about it for a *long* time. But this is a new implementation of the idea, and one that is much, much faster than anything that has been done before. The "cool" factor here is the speed and small size rather than just the overall concept.

    Adam

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    one thing that I don't quite understand about the whole beam brush thing is where does it go?

    after the scanners? before the scanners? if before how do you fit the expanded beam? if after how close can it be to the second scanner, how does it deal with wide scanning etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by flecom View Post
    one thing that I don't quite understand about the whole beam brush thing is where does it go?

    after the scanners? before the scanners? if before how do you fit the expanded beam? if after how close can it be to the second scanner, how does it deal with wide scanning etc
    From my understanding, the beam brush module would go in right before the scanners. I'd imagine the beam hitting the scanner mirrors would actually converge rather than expand to avoid having to use larger mirrors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 300EVIL View Post
    From my understanding, the beam brush module would go in right before the scanners. I'd imagine the beam hitting the scanner mirrors would actually converge rather than expand to avoid having to use larger mirrors.
    hrmm, I suppose that would make sense... so this thing is not a beam expander really... it changes divergence on the fly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flecom View Post
    ... it changes divergence on the fly?
    ...and-how! This should 'clear things up' - Bill, if I should not post these for some reason, lemme know, I'll take 'em down..

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    ...Beam Brush is some seriously cool 'cookie dough'... Will look forward to when its' 'done baking'..

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    is the current version of the beam brush still based around bill's old patent?

    http://www.wikipatents.com/US-Patent...sm-for-rapidly
    suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamidog View Post
    is the current version of the beam brush still based around bill's old patent?

    http://www.wikipatents.com/US-Patent...sm-for-rapidly
    I don't think so. It's based on a moving lens/voicecoil arrangement like the "eye" on a disk player. The moving lens is probably holographic to conserve on the moving mass... just a guess.

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    you don't need to wiggle a small lens very much if it's placed in the beam waist.

    i'm kind of goofing around with a prototype of something right now, but when i get a few, i may slap some hardware together and see what happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by 300EVIL View Post
    I don't think so. It's based on a moving lens/voicecoil arrangement like the "eye" on a disk player. The moving lens is probably holographic to conserve on the moving mass... just a guess.
    suppose you're thinkin' about a plate o' shrimp. Suddenly someone'll say, like, plate, or shrimp, or plate o' shrimp out of the blue, no explanation. No point in lookin' for one, either. It's all part of a cosmic unconciousness.

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