Pangolin Beyond Info Thread

[White-Light]

if you tell me I can get a full version of beyond including the 3D stuff for $745 that would definitely be worth it

You're asking for the moon!!

This conversation gets a little more dreamy each time....

So 5 years ago you bought a Ford Fiesta.

You find out that Ford has brought out a new model the Newfesta with better features!

Other manufacturer's Dealerships don't offer trade ins.

You go back to the Ford dealership with your 5 year old Fiesta and now expect the dealership to offer you 50% for your old car, which they do even though no one else does.

However, whilst you're there you notice the dealership has in the new Mustang!

So you now expect the dealership to not only give you the 50% trade in that no-one else does, but also to swop your 5 year Fiesta for the new Mustang, a car that costs 3 times as much simply because 5 years ago you bought one of their cheaper cars!

Sound ridiculous?

If not visit your local Ford dealer!!

BTW, so far as I can tell from the page I linked to, version for version its the same price as LD2000.

[flecom]

you know I can make all sorts of other comparisons that really don't work either...

but Ford does not promise you free gasoline for life and then change the name of the gasoline and tell you you can't have any of the new stuff and they are not giving out any of the old stuff...

see?

[White-Light]

But they didn't do that. To keep to the analogy, they promised you the equivalent of free servicing and gave it for the life of your Fiesta.

They never promised you a new car!

[taggalucci]

...or that the trade in price for your Mustang is only $100 more than your Fiesta!

[gabrielefx]

questions:

Beyond Essentials is already available?
Does exist a Demo of Beyond Ultimate?
Any Beyond sneak peek video?
Do I need the pci board or the USB box? on Pangolin site I don't understand the differences. What they do?

thanks for your answers.

[flecom]

nobody really knows what the differences are going to be yet, we are all awaiting feature comparisons

beyond will work with the FB3 and QM2k

[White-Light]

Pangolin Beyond web site gives you some clues:

http://www.pangolin.com/BEYOND/features/features.html

New Layer Based Drawing

If you use Photoshop, you know how helpful layers are. Now you can work on different lasers in a single laser frame. This makes it much easier to work on some areas of the image, without affecting other areas.


New Object Orientated Drawing

When creating a frame, Beyond keeps track of what you draw as single objects. For example, a line is not just a sequence of points. Beyond remembers it as a line object. If you want to stretch or shrink the line, just grab an endpoint and move. Beyond will automatically reposition and renumber the points for you.


New Spline Curve Tool

You can now create curves just as easily as lines. Click to set the start and endpoints, then pull the spline handle to stretch and shape a curve.


New Visual Scripting

Beyond has QuickTools, just like in the QuickShow program. Plus, the QuickTools can now be scripted using a simple visual interface, to create even more complex laser effects.


Work on Multiple Shows Simoultaneously

You can now have more than one show open at a single time. This is perfect for live performance, when you want the ability to quickly switch between different shows.


Controls Multiple Projectors

A single Beyond program can run QM2000s and/or FB3s in multiple projectors. The number of projectors is virtually unlimited.


Virtually Unlimited Projection Zones

You can set over 1000 different zones for the projector. This makes it much easier to put graphics and beams onto many different targets such as multiple screens.


Up to 100 Beam, Positions

If you need to hit mirrors or other targets with beams, Beyond gives you far more beam positions than the limited number in QuickShow.


Beam Positions can be Animated

You can animate the beam positions, to easily make beam-chasing sequences


Beam Positions can be Images

Now, when you hit mirrors or other targets, you aren't limited to using a dot. The beam can also project any Beyond frame. For example, you could hit mirrors with a logo instead of a dot.

That's all the web site says at the moment apart from the QS like interface and the 3D which you know anyway.

[Pangolin]

Hi all,

Just a few quick notes.

Yes, the LD2000 series is still supported. Absolutely! And in fact, we'll be releasing LD2000 version 5.5 just as soon as we get caught up with all of the orders that are coming in for all systems, including LD2000.

Yes, LC-Flash, LC-Max and all of the other programs are still being updated, including LivePRO. However, the pace of LivePRO updates has slowed because we consider it to be a mature product. We'll turn our attention back to LC-Flash toward the end of the year. We've already done some internal updates that we haven't released to the public.

Regarding BEYOND -- I am a strange guy. I mean, after all, who else would come up with the idea for all of these products?

Anyway, this strange guy doesn't like people who complain all the time, but loves people with a good attitude. I know, it's strange... Generally, the way I work is -- if you've got an abundance mentality, you're going to get a lot out of me. But if you play the "victim" card, well...

If you’re interested in BEYOND please contact me by email and we’ll see what we can do ;-)

Constructive criticism is always welcome and indeed is necessary, since it helps us to know where and how to improve things. But generally when people just blah blah blah all the time and call us “bone-headed”, well, I just think it isn't really contributing to the betterment of society, the betterment of the industry, or the betterment of our products. Those people will surely not get much out of us…

Bill

[VJ AIWAZ]

http://www.pangolin.com/BEYOND/faq/faq.html

under
What are the differences between the three versions of Beyond?
That is a good question! At this time (July 2011) we have not finalized the feature sets of Beyond Essentials, Beyond Advanced, and Beyond Ultimate. We do know that the 3D modeling and animation module will be included only with Beyond Ultimate. (This module works like 3ds MAX or Cinema 4D, and is also optimized for laser output.)

We will initially be shipping Beyond Ultimate to all customers. Once we finalize the version differences, then any subsequent updates will be to the version they purchased, and will only include that version's features.


also it says on a different page that both the 50% discount and the inclusion of ld200 is only good till November

http://www.pangolin.com/BEYOND/purchase/purchase.html

Free software bonus until November 30!
Beyond is brand new, and we are still adding some features. Therefore, every Beyond system purchased through November 30, 2011, will automatically come with the equivalent LD2000 level. So when you buy Beyond Essentials, you’ll also get LD2000 Intro for free. When you buy Beyond Advanced, you’ll get LD2000 Basic for free. And when you buy Beyond Ultimate, you’ll get LD2000 Pro for free. This helps you through the transition period from the best-selling LD2000, to the new improved world of Beyond.


LD2000 upgrade pricing
If you purchased LD2000 on or after April 6, 2011, you automatically get a free upgrade to Beyond. Just contact us and we’ll get you hooked up with Beyond.

If you purchased LD2000 before April 6, you qualify for an upgrade to Beyond for half of the price you originally paid. This special half-price offer is good through November 30, 2011. Many more details are on the Upgrade from Lasershow Designer 2000 page.

[flecom]

“bone-headed”

sorry buy your pricing scheme basically tells me my QM2k that I have put over $2600 into is worth $100 more than a $500 FB3... thats pretty depressing

and after that huge thread here a while back you still haven't addressed the whole, want 2 projectors, have to buy the software twice issue

I still dont understand why thats such a difficult concept to understand...

since we love analogies in this thread its like if microsoft made me buy a copy of windows for every monitor I add

the ONLY reason I add any input is because I like Pangolin products, and I want to use them to their potential and be able to honestly say "yes pangolin is the best out there"

and I really *DO* love my QM2k, which is why all of this really burns me

and I love QS & my FB3 and have convinced everyone I know with a projector to buy one

Constructive criticism is always welcome and indeed is necessary, since it helps us to know where and how to improve things. But generally when people just blah blah blah all the time and call us “bone-headed”, well, I just think it isn't really contributing to the betterment of society, the betterment of the industry, or the betterment of our products. Those people will surely not get much out of us…

what is this the mob??

at least you didn't tell me I was going to sleep with the fishes

and I *HAVE* given you a lot of constructive criticism, and suggestions over the years, but the response is always "maybe our product is not for you"

so what then?