PureMicro lasershow :-)

[RGB LASER VERKOOP]

Thanks for all concerned, but with my health and eyes it's very good, i not need to go to the dokter, maybe some of you!
Please do not talk about things you don't know all facts. As I mentioned earlier, I work with safty zone and the pure micro dims from 0 to 100% perfect (not 40% as some unexperience lasist thinks), I do not know why need to talk about the safty, come on men! 15 years high impact show experience with 0 problems! And on camera looks bright and different then in reel! If you not been there, then don't talk like your a expert!
The FOH sat on 4m above the audience and yes, I look straight into the lasers throughout the evening. But of course I do not have sore eyes from the laser, come on ... bunch of kids. All my shows are with safty zones and safty stop follow all the rules. Infact i never see other lasershow company's work with the big red safty stop as i have next to my ilda PC.

i wish i could delete all my post here, but i can't.
it is getting a haters forum here... and the children with the biggest mouth have 0% experience with big shows. And don't read the fact's, gossip is different then share experience and nice show pictures.. i feel verry bad and sorry people talk so bad on this forum. Also some friends / clients of mine, stop here becourse all of this blaa blaaaa
i wish i not type again, but i can not help give reaction on the stupid things people typing here it makes no sense at all!

i have some nice emails from Pangolin, if you see what they typing to me, this is where you can talk about (as have seen in laserist list) that is a bad thinking company!
I think fair and just want to share info and shows, but the reactions make it hard to enjoy this website anymore...


and i sell: RGB lasersytems, Kvant, and some german lasers, so not only chinese, but chinese rule the laser market al you all have a green cni in the small rgb's ;-) And my new luminous is a low cost but good power RGB, sure made in China, but look around you, the most come from china, even swisslas (europe) use CNI and chinese scanners!

tjonge jonge stelletje eikels zitten er hier tussen zeg!

[-bart-]

If you bring your mellons to the market, they will be pinched and poked.

[RGB LASER VERKOOP]

If you bring your mellons to the market, they will be pinched.

Yes good one :-)

[gashead]

Joost,

I understand your reaction, I would feel the same if someone criticized me on a professional level but you have to understand that people are concerned about your methods of performing safe laser shows. (I shan't go into detail as it's already been spelt out in this thread)

The concern is genuine, and I don't believe anyone is doing this against you personally but from what you have said so far you can't be sure 100% the shows you are performing are eyesafe!

I'm afraid 15 years experience does not instantly make a show safe, this is science we are talking about you have to back this up with numbers and measurements.

The greatest concern here is that damage may be caused (or maybe already has) to peoples vision, if so you'd be held wholly responsible for it, and if you have Public Liability insurance this likely would not cover you either as you're unable to demonstrate your certainty that your frames comply to safe limits.

I don't think a defence of "It looked safe" or "I have 15 years experience, so it must be safe" would hold up very well in court!!!!

Please understand that I am not trying to be aggressive or to assassinate your character or business, just trying to point out in the nicest possible way that "the bunch of assholes" are trying to *HELP* you.

However one may assume that your hostility towards your critics only puts weight to their arguments, You may not be aware but you have had replies from some very respected members of the Lasershow community (who feed and clothe their families and put food on the table from their work in the Laser biz) these people know what the fuck they are doing and deserve respect.

I'm sad to see things turn this way, oh so often when people talk about leaving PL and deleting their threads it's because they *know* they have made a mistake.

Anyway, I hope you get things sorted - I believe I have the full support of the community when I say "Get a power meter, do the calcs - know and prove your show is safe" - if you actually do this I believe people will respect you more so for admitting that even after 15 years you can still learn.

All the best,

Nigel.

[RGB LASER VERKOOP]

people concern, but never see my shows, so they talking and speculating about facts, but they are not shure about...
Not fair and pisses me off (and yes my english is verry well)

it started when a member told i used my new 8,2W (not 9w else i get crazy reply's again) in a indoor show.
but it where only small RGB lasers 1,7 - 2,3W and power was set 1,2W and also used safty zones...In that club it was perfect !

[White-Light]

As I mentioned earlier, I work with safty zone and the pure micro dims from 0 to 100% perfect (not 40% as some unexperience lasist thinks),

Actually Joost I tell a lie, around 40% BAM the green is weaker than the other colours when in full colour mode to the point of the white balance being lost.

If I turn the other colours off on the projector, then green is visible down to 20%, below 20% it's invisible.

If you can modulate DPSS perfectly linearly down to 0% call Kvant, they'll have a job waiting.

[White-Light]

people concern, but never see my shows, so they talking and speculating about facts, but they are not shure about...
Not fair and pisses me off (and yes my english is verry well)

it started when a member told i used my new 8,2W (not 9w else i get crazy reply's again) in a indoor show.
but it where only small RGB lasers 1,7 - 2,3W and power was set 1,2W and also used safty zones...In that club it was perfect !

People are simply concerned that you are doing shows without proper calculations because if anything does go wrong, it puts the rights of everyone in jeopardy.

[RGB LASER VERKOOP]

This is good feedback!
i know this dpss not same as diode...
soon whith the green diode lasers comming up, it will all be the same..

and i was talking about power ..% not white light in ...%
i wish the men who mixed up the powers etc.. also clear up

we all learning here!

[RGB LASER VERKOOP]

People are simply concerned that you are doing shows without proper calculations because if anything does go wrong, it puts the rights of everyone in jeopardy.

yes safty is number 1 allways!
and after 15years it is only getting better...
BUT
I see a lot of company's who buy a high power chinese laser (+3W) and put it on the DJ boot direct to the people. that is the problem! not a 15 year experienced lasershow company.. but sure i can learn also and i am open for it.

hope soon will be a world wide law about lasershow safty

[norty303]

1.2W at ten meters is not within MPE, however you choose to look at it. You've made no reference to divergent lenses or shown to be using them in your vids, so should assume you're not using them.

And that is using beam specs worse than you likely are. And no, it does not get much better at 20m or even 30m. So I think we are entitled to make certain educated assumptions about what you are doing, and how. Lack of reported injury is not evidence of safe practice.

I would thoroughly recommend a course, it really is eye opening not only about how easy it is the be over MPE, but also how easy it is (once you've got to grips withit) to do show evaluations properly.