Rrgbb 5 color 3d dream projector progres in mind :)

[svandescheur]

Hello everyone,

I have been thinking a while and have read a lot on the forums.
I have a projector in progress, but still not satisfied.
I want more colors, brighter beams and fantastic sharp graphics, without any form of artifacts around the picture !!!
and also hate all the flckering with scanning a lot of pictures in quickshow !!!

I came on this idea when i have seen the pictures in this thread : http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...Projector-pics
Please look at those pictures. You will see a lot of colors ! great color palette & perfect white balanced.
Nice pictures for the desktop i'm still using them randomly every minute.

I have made a list what i think is need for a perfect balanced projector with real 3d capabilities (only with beyond pro or LD2000 pro!)
with every option available onboard ! like scanfail, shutters, DMX, ethernet, 6color channels etc.

Please let me know what you think about this complete setup !?
i think it will be nearly perfect. my goal is to build one like that probably over about 5 years or something
when i have completely paid off the projector i own now

Combining a Beamer with Laser projector will be the future for complete 3d experiences !
This is what i mean with the beamer (3D Projection Mapping) Very cool !! Please see some videos at youtube
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc....1.vl7XixGFOO0


5 COLOR RRGBB NO NOISE "LOW COST" 3D DREAM PROJECTOR REQUIREMENTS


TOTAL POWER : 2W - 3.5W - 4.4W+ PERFECT ALLIGNED, SUPER WHITE BALANCE & MASTER COLOR PALETTE

Small sized modules / Small beamsize (max.5mm) /Low divergence / Tec cooled / 100Khz / Analog /1 or 2 PSU(s) for all the modules

pre-build blue & red module made by (NL) Edison : http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ething-to-show

600mW - 800mW - 1W+ 445/450 DIODE (single/dual module with beam correction optics)
300mW - 600mW - 800mW 473 DPSS
300mW - 600mW - 800mW 532 DPSS
340mW - 510mW - 680mW 637 DIODE (dual/triple/quad module with beam correction optics)
500mW - 800mW - 1.2W+ 671 DPSS


- dielectric filter combiner : 637nmDIODE / 671nmDPSS + Reflect red (671 or 637) HR mirror
- dielectric filter combiner : 445nmDIODE / 473nmDPSS + Reflect blue (473 or 445) HR mirror
- REFLECT BLUE 473&445 HR MIRROR
- REFLECT GREEN 532 / PASS BLUE 473&445 DICHRO
- REFLECT RED 671&637 / PASS GREEN 532 + BLUE 473&445 DICHRO

- Fiesta OEM DAC (16bit X/Y output, 6 x 8bit color output, 100.000pps, dmx & ethernet)
http://www.showtacle.com/products/oem
or
- NetLase OEM DAC (14bit X/Y output, 6 x 8bit RGBCMY with LDS, 150Kpps, dmx & ethernet)
supported by : LDS Dynamics, LDS200x, HE Laserscan, Mamba & Phoenix
http://www.spectrabeam.de/product_in...6-Farb-Kanaele

Manual NetLase : http://www.scribd.com/doc/69875594/Manual-Netlase

- Air/Dust Closed / Tec Cooled / Heatsink Based Casing / Water Resistant
like this but newer and bigger version http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...ctor-by-Edison
- Case temperature controlled TEC/FAN driver with sensor
- Scan Safety board (scanfail)
- DMX control with display/dipswitches
- DMX IN- & OUTPUT for smoke machine or distributor (output) and dmx light controller device (input)
- R,R,G,B & B intensity level pots(rear panel knobs)
- X & Y level pots (rear panel knobs)
- 3x Beam shutter devices for combined red , green & combined blue
- Color correction board for 5 or 6 channels (Stanwax please can you develop one)
maybe the Netlase does have similar features, but i don't know at the moment.
- New developed Stanwax® ILDA board with 5/6 color outputs, onboard scanfail, dmx in- en output &
compatible with all laser dac's/controllers on the market. (will be nice Rob if you can also develop something like this)
- QM2000.NET with Beyond (pro) & LivePro (does anyone know if this is compatible with Fiesta.NET OEM or NetLase OEM ?
- Mamba Black (MIII), Phoenix 4 Live, HE Laserscan & LDS Dynamic
- Eyemagic EMS-7000 60K scanset
http://www.eyemagic.gr/downloads/ems-7000.pdf
does anyone know the price of these ??? please let me know...

[masterpj]

Sounds like you have big plans.
But my question here.
How much have you trained and tried using 3D projection mapping, have you tried making graphics shows?

It's not something easy to get into per definition.

Graphics can be flickery because of complexity, but also because the way they are made and that latter mostly plays the big role.

[svandescheur]

Hey masterpj haha no i can't even get a nice beamshow !
but when the projector is finished when the lasers are back,
then i go practise with quickshow... but my mind is going crazy...
Oh i love to have such projector with everything on-board.
and mostly 2 extra colors for best color palette i ever seen !!
i'm thinking about to build in the future a much lower power projector, but with 5 colors
and for the fun i wanna try in the future 60K eyemagic scanners.. i'm curious about the difference and quality.
And all the laser software i mentioned above is nothing more than a dream that i can afford all the software and hardware.
But i really like to build a 5 color laserprojector with many features onboard with max 2W power or something.
But i need to know if there is a way possible to use Netlase OEM or Fiesta.Net OEM with an external QM2000.NET for example..
it can work with a lot of Software, but Pangolin was not in the list.
And i need to know if the color outputs : Cyan, Magenta & Yellow also can be used with a 671 DPSS laser, Cyan = 473 i think.
But you're right i first need to know how to create a simple lasershow before i jump into a new temple of doom

[White-Light]

I'm totally confused. Why do you want 6 different software packages with 1 laser?

Buy Beyond 3D and have done. However I might wait a while .

Personally I say, if you want great images use the money you save from NOT buying 6 sets of software and DAC's to buy some 60K Cambridge Scanners instead or wait until Pangolin's 60K scanners come out and then buy those.

Both Cambridge and Pangolin 60K should give great results (although Pangolin are an unknown quantity at the moment, scanners are Bill Benners speciality so I'd expect something up there with Cambridge or better for quality).

Also listen to PJ on cue construction and realise there might be limits to the number of cues you can display at once although scan speed and angle will both help here. Other than that, good luck and enjoy the project!

[svandescheur]

Never have tried projection mapping. this thread is based on a answer i gave laserphoto on the question :
What 's the famous laser light in future ? see this thread : http://photonforums.com/threads/740-...ight-in-future
and a couple of time ago i have seen that projection mapping on youtube.. all the vids.. and it's amazing and my opinion says :
it will look much more beautifull and spectacular with combining it with a really really good laserprojector with "3d" capabilities.
i think it's achievable with high speed galvo scanners like 60K and ofcourse with expensive lasersoftware like Beyond pro or LD2000 to create
real good 3d animations. and that's not a good part of me. i never have tried to draw something in 3d. i know it's very difficult.
Most of the expensive drawing programs i do have on my bibliotheek 2TB disk. i have tried some of them.. if i look at it then i go as fast as possible to CROSS.
because there are so many functions etc. if you never had some kind of training, then it's almost impossible to draw something easy
but it are alle nice dreams to tell you about the new future project :P

Sounds like you have big plans.
But my question here.
How much have you trained and tried using 3D projection mapping, have you tried making graphics shows?

It's not something easy to get into per definition.

Graphics can be flickery because of complexity, but also because the way they are made and that latter mostly plays the big role.

[svandescheur]

Howdy Mr Whitelight

Nice to meet you.. I'm coming from the Netherlands and do smoke a lot of weed and sometimes i'm living in a dream
I'm sorry for that, but yes i understand your confusion.. the projector i wanna build over about 5 years or something
will have a Netlase OEM dac onboard and that thing is compatible with alle the software i mentioned above.
The prices of all the lasersoftwares together is less then upgrade from quickshow to beyond
I don't know for sure if i do need an extra dongle from the software with the Netlase, then will the price be a little bit higher
Cambridge scanners are to expensive for me I'm a hard worker for less money.. i earn every month 1640 USD and spend every month more than that
Money is not my favorite thing... always need to spend it.. i got a very big hole in my hand
Hopefully in the near future i win the lottery or something then i buy some Will Benner® or Cambridge® scanners
But anyways thanks for the hints. i shall try that changing "scangle" & "Scanspeed"

I'm totally confused. Why do you want 6 different software packages with 1 laser?

Buy Beyond 3D and have done. However I might wait a while .

Personally I say, if you want great images use the money you save from NOT buying 6 sets of software and DAC's to buy some 60K Cambridge Scanners instead or wait until Pangolin's 60K scanners come out and then buy those.

Both Cambridge and Pangolin 60K should give great results (although Pangolin are an unknown quantity at the moment, scanners are Bill Benners speciality so I'd expect something up there with Cambridge or better for quality).

Also listen to PJ on cue construction and realise there might be limits to the number of cues you can display at once although scan speed and angle will both help here. Other than that, good luck and enjoy the project!

[LEDpaint]

Build your first RGB and get your feet wet before planning something so complex. Then, go out and make money to fund the crazy one you really want to build. You're also better off spending the money on better scanners than putting fifty different reds and eight different blues into it, which is going to cost a lot more, especially the 473 you plan on buying. That alone will cost way more than the scanners. I tried something similar with my first projector and it kicked my ass both in wasted time and money. I have a 445 and a 473, and while the extra blue looks nice, the extra money could have gone toward something far more useful like more powerful red and green modules and a set of eyemagic or cambridge scanners. How much progress have you made on your projector? What makes you think you don't have particular colors you want?

[svandescheur]

Hello Mr LEDpaint,

Thanks for the kind reply. Yes i understand completely what you think.
But i'm a little bit crazy and i love to waste money
The answer about your questions wich colors i miss in the projector :
- cyan
- purple
- more tints of green, yellow, orange, blue & red
- the transition from blue to "purple" is not very smooth.


please see this : http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...Projector-pics

that are the ultimate colors i think !!

complex ?? it's not more complex than the projector i own now.. only 2 more DPSS lasers with perfect beam quality, beamshutters, eyemagic scanners & scanfail

that's it..

Build your first RGB and get your feet wet before planning something so complex. Then, go out and make money to fund the crazy one you really want to build. You're also better off spending the money on better scanners than putting fifty different reds and eight different blues into it, which is going to cost a lot more, especially the 473 you plan on buying. That alone will cost way more than the scanners. I tried something similar with my first projector and it kicked my ass both in wasted time and money. I have a 445 and a 473, and while the extra blue looks nice, the extra money could have gone toward something far more useful like more powerful red and green modules and a set of eyemagic or cambridge scanners. How much progress have you made on your projector? What makes you think you don't have particular colors you want?

[svandescheur]

oh btw progress :: lasers are back to laser-wave..
i'll wait for the lasers to put them in..
then i drill some new holes for the new dichro mounts..
place there new 20x10 dichro's on it and allign it..
at last glue the glass coated aperture window in the front panel..
and then it's finished..
i have test a lot.. everythings work.. but the lasers are misalligned a little bit at "farfield".. after 3 m beam is almost invisible.

i'm sorry i've deleted all the pictures because they were all too big...

i'm trying to get al new smaller photo'n in my old posts.

but here is a link with many pics from the beams and a link to RGB projector pics :

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/...762#post232762

[LEDpaint]

It's a nice looking set up. Where did you get the enclosure?