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    Quote Originally Posted by heroic View Post
    OPSLs and photonic crystal media are coming down in price; I can only imagine that soon we will get multi-milliwatt RGB single-chip devices.

    Heroic, there are three schemes. insulating Be0 tubes at 5x the thermal conductivity of Aluminum, Tungsten disk in quartz, and you radiate the heat into the water as IR, and metal disk, where you have a two inch diameter alumina tube, filled with copper disks, that have tungsten or silicon carbide disks with the bore hole in them. A typical bore is .56 to .65 mm in diameter, and dissipation is 300 to 700 watts per CM of length depending on what your lasing and if your going for UV or not. AR is is actually ar++, doubly ionized argon, and for the UV lines, its AR+++ , or triply ionized argon. You need 1000 gauss of magnetic field to contain the plasma on a watercooled, so the cooling fluid flows between the tube and the magnet.

    A rule is 1.1 kilowatts per watt on a large frame, plus about 2 kilowatts of threshold.

    So I typically am using a meter to two meter long arc .65 mm diameter in 125 to 300 millitorr of gas, drop across the arc is 106 for a decent aircooled, to as much as 570V for a large frame. At currents anywhere from 6 to 10 amps for a small aircooled to as much as 60 amps for a UV largeframe. Add another 250-500 watts for the magnet if used.

    You can get air cooled to roughly 2-3 watts CW, 7 watts short pulse.

    yes .001% effiecient , and the tube has a negitive slope if its a aircooled or is barely positive if its a large frame, so you have a current regulated power supply running into a negitive resistance load. They will run away to destruction if allowed. A big 171 measures out at -7 ohms when running full blast.

    PSUs are FEt or IGBT buck regulator or a linear passbank, or a combination of both. And they work into what might as well be a dead short that likes to oscillate if yournot careful.

    My 2 watt tube has 16 water cooled 2N6259s in series with it.

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    One nice thing about gas, is they are repairable. While your diodes snap in less then 2 nanoseconds, my gas system is degrading gracefully. Snip a burned transistor in the passbank, and I'm back up. Dying tubes still produce a lot of light. :-) Most of the catastrophic failures happen preshow, and once fixed, they run and a run and run.

    Oh, and DPSS + AO is used in a lot of the multiwatt green systems, and a few places like Jenlase, and Some new OPSL are AO modulated, so fast and linear is coming back


    At the university where I used to work, few failures were EVER down for more then 20 minutes, and at the 20 minute point I either swapped heads or whole lasers. roughly 8700 hours in a year, and at any given time 6 units were up, and running at least 7500 of those 8500 hours. They only down time would be roughly 1000 hours of changing or rebuilding the system, or preparing samples. These days no one stocks pump diodes, so you can be down for 2 weeks or more.

    I just did a repair for my former department, I got them back up with a argon, while they wiat 4 weeks for a 7,000$ set of pump diodes, that curiously, have the same life as a tube and nearly the same cost.


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    Spiteful is not a good word, however PRIDE is. Are you proud of yourself that you can plug in a black box? There is no style in that IMHO (damn im sounding old)

    Old school guys made it possible for young guys to walk in and "plug it in". Diode generation will rarely if ever understand the physics or the delicate balance of technologies required to make light.

    I designed and built my first helical flashed pumped ruby laser from straight pieces of quartz tube and a ruby rod from a university in 1976. I learned glass blowing, vacuum systems, machining, HV & LV electronics, power & water, and safety I was 20 years old. Very few 20 year old "laser guys" will understand the variety of talents required to produce one of those today. A level of reverence should be reserved for the path makers.

    Pride is a great word!! It takes years of work and dedication to truly understand what we are really doing with these awsome devices.

    However...I think I still do want to use the word spiteful... Well maybe thats is not the word but I have been feeling bumbed lately myself about how easy its been getting...

    I also got started young... 5th grade bought by first Hene... worked hard to pay for that one..

    Started some holography in 8th grade..

    Built my first CO2 laser my freshman year of high school for my laser lawn mower Silly... I know!

    I feel that my hobby\ passion is no longer special anymore... Thats me just thinking stupid in my lab one night..

    But it is true that the so called "diode age" has it pretty easy...

    Kid see's club show... kid thinks it cool... kid has extra money... kid goes on ebay... kid gets parts.... kid... snaps a couple componets together and calls themselves a laserist.. Kind of a bummer

    I am not starting anything... just confirming a little of Keeprix speculations.

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    Neener neener boo boo!!!
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    um...
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    it aint much to look at in those pics, but you gotta admit.. its all about the light...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman532 View Post
    Neener neener boo boo!!!
    Mmm, herniatastic.

    I like the old stuff too, but I have to say, I need me some portable.

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    I still say those beam tables and LFI projectors are a work of art in and of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heroic View Post
    Mmm, herniatastic.

    I like the old stuff too, but I have to say, I need me some portable.

    I have Ion Laser PSUs from medical systems that are only 2x the weight and size of the supply for a equal sized diode diode pumped laser. The medical guys were willing to pay the $$$ for a desktop switcher, while science and industrial systems got the big linear boxes with buck/boost transformers so the seller could maximize profit.

    The 2011 supply for the herniatastic unit was not much bigger then two phone books.

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    i agree those beam tables are pretty awesome..
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    Quote Originally Posted by keeperx View Post
    um...
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    it aint much to look at in those pics, but you gotta admit.. its all about the light...

    Excellent craftsmanship...(just kidding of course)

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