Pesident Clinton

[Laserman532]

here ya go statist! Deal with it...

[ghosttrain]

Quiet you, if you're not listening to me, I'm not listening to you. Actually, I'll go ahead and add you to the ignore list. All your posts are hidden from me now. Bugger off.

[logsquared]

From his speeches so far it's clear how he considers both parties a joke.

Yes, and by putting on the republican party hat on he also become a JOKE.

The only reason he's not an independent is because he hasn't declared he is, because he isn't stupid.

I never said he was stupid. If one argues that his popular vote is not being fairly represented by the delegates (ie Colorado)then, its hard to argue against him as an independent. This infers that the voters can't be trusted to make their own decisions. Either we trust the voters or we don't. The delegate idea is ridiculous to start with. Then ad the super delegates of the Dems, ubber ridiculous. Remember, these party rules are made up by the parties. By attaching to a party he HAS to play by their rules. In most cases the party rules are not laws.

I guess my point here is basic... One of the reasons many like Trump is his "outsider"/ "not playing games" stance. But, he IS playing the game by saying he is a rep.(or any established party for that mater).

[Laserman532]

Quiet you, if you're not listening to me, I'm not listening to you. Actually, I'll go ahead and add you to the ignore list. All your posts are hidden from me now. Bugger off.

LOLOL - you can't see my post, but I can see yours...and others will see my post...I was just about to make you my personal little bitch like I did with the Pro DJ Allen thread. You said to not trust government...but when I say that you block me...John Yayas needs to do a psychological examination of you...because you are clearly...retarded...

[ghosttrain]

Yes, and by putting on the republican party hat on he also become a JOKE.

Not quite, as I explained in my previous response. It would be suicidal to run as an independent. Again, who has been the last independent president?

The delegate idea is ridiculous to start with. Then ad the super delegates of the Dems, ubber ridiculous.

I agree. Actually I think Trump agrees.

Remember, these party rules are made up by the parties. By attaching to a party he HAS to play by their rules.

But by not attaching to one of these parties you make it impossible as a nominee to be elected as president and then try to get laws passed to ban parties from having these kind of bullshit rules.

One of the reasons many like Trump is his "outsider"/ "not playing games" stance. But, he IS playing the game by saying he is a rep.(or any established party for that mater).

For the above reasons, no.
An analogy would be if I was in nazi Germany pretending to support the nazi party to not get attention and be able to hide a jewish family in my basement. Would you blame me for "supporting the nazi party" or being a nazi then?

[Laserman532]

Yes, and by putting on the republican party hat on he also become a JOKE.


I never said he was stupid. If one argues that his popular vote is not being fairly represented by the delegates (ie Colorado)then, its hard to argue against him as an independent. This infers that the voters can't be trusted to make their own decisions. Either we trust the voters or we don't. The delegate idea is ridiculous to start with. Then ad the super delegates of the Dems, ubber ridiculous. Remember, these party rules are made up by the parties. By attaching to a party he HAS to play by their rules. In most cases the party rules are not laws.

I guess my point here is basic... One of the reasons many like Trump is his "outsider"/ "not playing games" stance. But, he IS playing the game by saying he is a rep.(or any established party for that mater).

are you going to vote knowing that it is a charade?

[logsquared]

For the above reasons, no.
An analogy would be if I was in nazi Germany pretending to support the nazi party to not get attention and be able to hide a jewish family in my basement. Would you blame me for "supporting the nazi party" or being a nazi then?

Good point. However, the scary thing for me is what *could* be hiding in Trumps basement. And no, I don't have any specific evidence of whats in Trump's basement. I have to go with my "gut feeling" if you will. There is lack of any real evidence for me to use any thing but *feelings*.

I used the term "balls" because It takes guts to challenge the system. I think you underestimate the popular vote Trump would have got as an independent. Yes, there is the problem of the electoral college. However, to my knowledge, it has never been really challenged. Looks like it might be soon...?

are you going to vote knowing that it is a charade?

Yes, Democrat. Here is why. The oligarchy, the great "they", whatever you want to call em, are always going to have government control over us to some extent. History in almost all cultures shows this. I believe we have very little control over this for the most part.

The facts are we (in the US) live in this two party system. The republicans (in large) have aligned themselves with ideologies and organizations that I believe are taking away human rights(freedom, if you will) and dignity. And while I disagree fundamentally with %95 of the Dems B.S. (I could write 100 pages on how much they suck) they are slowly trying to give equality to people. Yes, this may be political pandering on the Dems part, but I believe its the right path for humanity. And for me social justice trumps financial gain even if it puts extra hardship on myself.

[Laserman532]

Yes, Democrat. Here is why. The oligarchy, the great "they", whatever you want to call em, are always going to have government control over us to some extent. History in almost all cultures shows this. I believe we have very little control over this for the most part.

The facts are we (in the US) live in this two party system. The republicans (in large) have aligned themselves with ideologies and organizations that I believe are taking away human rights(freedom, if you will) and dignity. And while I disagree fundamentally with %95 of the Dems B.S. (I could write 100 pages on how much they suck) they are slowly trying to give equality to people. Yes, this may be political pandering on the Dems part, but I believe its the right path for humanity. And for me social justice trumps financial gain even if it puts extra hardship on myself.

I guess it is your right...but this is "logic" that I can't comprehend... The democrats...now with 5% less rape... GO VOTE!

[dsli_jon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

..Dat's all I got to say.. Too much normalcy bias in-here, for me, otherwise.. We'll compare notes in 4 yrs.. (maybe.. +_+

Long Live Winston Smith
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[logsquared]

The democrats...now with 5% less rape... GO VOTE!

Ok, that is pretty funny. And maybe sad, but true. This %5 is all I got.


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but this is "logic" that I can't comprehend

Its fuzzy logic at best. But, again, its all I got.